Pecatonica full stock Leman question

[HighUintas]

If there are any of you out there that have built pecatonicas full stock Leman kit, or used the stock, is there enough cheek piece wood there to turn it into a respectable beaver tail type? I am considering doing this

 

[Juniata]

I haven't built the leman but a couple trade guns, they leave plenty there for beaver tail carvings around the lock panels if that's what your asking

 

[HighUintas]

I haven't built the leman but a couple trade guns, they leave plenty there for beaver tail carvings around the lock panels if that's what your asking

I was referring to carving the rectangle type cheek piece into a hawken beaver tail cheek

 

[Norman Brooks]

This started life as a full stock Leman. So yes it can be done. This was a TOTW Leman precarved for a 15/16" barrel which I put a tapered 1" to 7/8" barrel in. And was cut down to halfstock.

 

[frankie]

really nice lay you have on the comb. Right in line with the buttplate. Great job, I would like to see the rest of the rifle. Thanks for showing

 

[tenngun]

Yes, I found it an unpleasant gun to shoot, but there was plenty of wood
Mine was a .54x1x36”
Pecotonic is one of my good guy companies A+++

 

[frankie]

Yes, I found it an unpleasant gun to shoot, but there was plenty of wood
Mine was a .54x1x36”
Pecotonic is one of my good guy companies A+++

did you say you didn't like shooting this

 

[tenngun]

did you say you didn't like shooting this

Yes. They had a very narrow butt plate, and when combined with a large bore, even with a heavy barrel the recoil was unpleasant, and a good upper arm hold made the gun a check slapper
I THINK in a 15/16 .45 or even a 7/8 it would be a good gun, but in a .54 not so much
It was a pointer though. The shape came to the shooting postion right on target, and was light

 

[HighUintas]

Yes that looks pretty nice! I'd like to see the rest of it also.

Mine is going to be a 1x36" 58cal. I'm now commiting to doing it from a plank though, so I'll likely make the butt a tad wider to help with recoil

 

[Norman Brooks]

It does have a wider butt plate so the felt recoil is a little less, even as light that it is...

 

[frankie]

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It does have a wider butt plate so the felt recoil is a little less, even as light that it is...

Both very nice looking rifles and a great job. I contacted pecatonica and they advised me to do the leman for my first rifle because the hawken was kind of difficult for the first one. Im a newbie to muzzleloading but a stockmaker by trade. Are both of them lemans? I would be happy with either one. Thanks

 

[Norman Brooks]

Both very nice looking rifles and a great job. I contacted pecatonica and they advised me to do the leman for my first rifle because the hawken was kind of difficult for the first one. Im a newbie to muzzleloading but a stockmaker by trade. Are both of them lemans? I would be happy with either one. Thanks

Neither is a Leman. The top one is a mixture of parts and the bottom one is a Hawkens made from a blank... I will get a picture of my Leman perc. tomorrow...

 

[frankie]

Neither is a Leman. The top one is a mixture of parts and the bottom one is a Hawkens made from a blank... I will get a picture of my Leman perc. tomorrow...

thanks Norman I'd like to see it. Was the hawken harder to do than the leman?

 

[tenngun]

Hawkens are special.
Leman sold his guns for between $12.00-$14.50 back in the day. Jake and Sams guns ran from $22.50 to $30.00. Many complex fits on even the plainest Hawken.

 

[Norman Brooks]

.54 cal 1 1/8" to 1" tapered Rice barrel 36" long. The Hawken's is a lot harder to build in a half stock.

 

[longcruise]

Thing about the Leman is that when it's built to the original dimensions they are not a good fit to many shooters. Short LOP. I had the opportunity to shoulder one that was built as the originals and it struck me immediately as a difficult fit.

 

[HighUintas]

Thing about the Leman is that when it's built to the original dimensions they are not a good fit to many shooters. Short LOP. I had the opportunity to shoulder one that was built as the originals and it struck me immediately as a difficult fit.

Do you know what the LOP on the originals were?

 

[longcruise]

Not right off hand. An excellent source on Lemans is Jack Brooks in Denver area.

 

[longcruise]

https://www.jsbrookslongrifles.com/theclassroom.htm

 

[Norman Brooks]

An ugly looking one I built and sold about 3 years ago and sold on TOTW. Faux stripes...