I think that is one of the coolest old guns I have seen, and I have a few, myself. Nice acquisition!Actually the only thing that is "additional" to either a flint or percussion gun is the sliding plate that covers/uncovers the flash hole. I'd imagine that changing between flint and percussion didn't happen very often. One either had caps or they didn't.
"made for a very wealthy anxious person", you might very well be correct. Hopefully once I start acquiring books about British gun makers I'll learn more...here is hoping anyway.
Robby, yes it does throw up to the shoulder perfectly and with good barrel alignment.
3Setters brings up an interesting point about the nipples being possibly mashed if not being used as a cap gun. His comment got me to wondering:
1. Certainly the thin copper of a cap isn't enough to protect the nipple? Could it be that the ignition of the cap is enough to soften the blow of the hammer on the nipple? I would think the main charge going off would be too late?
2. When operating as a flint gun with no cap on the nipple certainly some blow back from the main charge will pass up through the nipple to the hammer. If the pan flashes from the first few sparks before the cock reaches its rest might'n that cause the main charge to go off early enough to blow back through the nipple thereby softening the hammer blow to the nipple?
3. Would leaving a spent cap on the nipple protect it? Copper is hard but not as hard as iron so maybe it would absorb some of the impact? Do you guys that make your own caps reuse the spent ones?
Interesting questions. Of course the nipples could just be swapped out, but I don't want to do that to this gun for obvious reasons. Wouldn't Jones, the gunsmith that came up this gun, and the sliding plate to block off the touch hole, wouldn't he have already thought of this?
Perhaps when I start shooting this gun the questions will be answered. It's 8 degrees this morning, I'm disinclined to go outside and shoot although I'm certainly itching to.
That's a good point. Again, pretty sure Jones already figured it out.Thinking about this. Firings as a Flint gun the amount of force on the nipple would, seem to me, be reduced somewhat. My concern would be powder blow back in the nipple but the hammer should mitigate that
Still a remarkable idea and wonderful piece
Thinking the same Brits. Hoping you would comment. It is the likes I have never seen before, even when I was scouring Europe's artifacts.Looks beautiful but paradoxically a royal pain,,,,, to operate!
I hope I am wrong but I am thinking it was made for a very wealthy anxious person!
Not everything innovative was 'innovated' in America. Add to that the clear fact that it must have cost a small fortune to make - as previously noted, this is definitely not a run-of-the-mill hardware store gun. Since I've never seen anything like it before in my life, and I'm in my mid-70s' so far - it must be taken as read that it is an extremely rare, maybe even unique, firearm.It is an endless curiosity. Why wasn't that design made here? Very unique.
It sure looks like a sling attachment to me. But, if the sling was only attached to the key the first time you shouldered it the key would come out. I have zero knowledge of slings from this time period but seems to me that attachment point, if that's what it is, could only be used to keep the sling positioned on the stock. I have no idea what that would look like.That stock key with the loop hole is probably for a shoulder sling whose other end was a simple loop that slips over the stock and is pulled tight at the wrist. Goes on when the gun is secured across the back and the game is dragged out
Why would the key come out? It is flat on the other side, which is what makes it a barrel/stock key. That flat side is pulled tight against the metal plate inletted into the stock. A tremendous force would be required to pull the key through, like from a large mechanical arrangement. The other end of the strap would have a loop through which the entire strap is run. That creates a second loop that is pulled tight against the stock wrist. A lot of these kinds / variations of musket/longrifle shoulder slings can be found at rendezvous and black powder events. People can make them for you. Gary Fatheree at The Leatherman makes them to order. A lady named Chris at the PA Society of Horners weaves some. Every gun is different so many of these straps/ slings must be adapted to that particular rifle.It sure looks like a sling attachment to me. But, if the sling was only attached to the key the first time you shouldered it the key would come out. I have zero knowledge of slings from this time period but seems to me that attachment point, if that's what it is, could only be used to keep the sling positioned on the stock. I have no idea what that would look like.
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