Bullshot, we are talking about smoothbores not rifles. Where did you get your information on the Ashley flintlock being .69 caliber and made by Jake for 200 yard shots? Sam Hawken late in his life talked about building a "super Hawken" for William Ashley, possibly .66 caliber. There is no existing example of it so a lot of people are making assumptions of it's make up and ignition system.. Ashley needed a longer range rifle to shoot back at Arikaras firing down on his keelboats. Elsewhere there is a nice chat about a jug choked Kibler and a dozen or more pattern sheets, Most readers agreed that #10 load worked best. Thought is was a .58 caliber smooth bore (smaller than 20 gauge).