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Well Bob Brister isn't old enough to have wrote in a 1932 magazine, but he may be the person you are thinking of. He built a special trailer with a patterning target on it. He then had his wife tow it at high speed as he shot it, and showed the pattern how it would effectively translate to a bird. It isn't as good as modern high-speed imaging, but it did show how different loads had differing shot string lengths.
 
The standard load for a 12 bore is 2.3/4 drms FFg or medium grade powder to 1.1/8 oz of shot, load powder 2.1/8 card wads ,shot. 1/16 overshot card this is what is known has a volume load and is all you need .Most important it depends what you want to use the gun for if it is clays or game pattern it on a board is a waste of time .the pattern shown on the board is a none movement shot a moving shot then the shot pattern is what is known has stringed and total different to a board pattern then a kill is in the swing and follow through .Forget the fancy loads they are not needed
Feltwad

I belong to a couple of forums that deal pretty much in double barrel shotguns. There are very knowledgeable people on them from all over the world. You tell them that to pattern on a board is a waste of time and see what kind of a response you get. If you have a shotgun with terribly regulated barrels, one barrel could be shooting several feet off of desired point of aim. Yes you could say , 'oh I guess I missed because the target is moving and I was not shooting to the correct spot". If you are happy with that, okay. But a test on the pattern board will show, with some guns, that to hit anything is pure luck. And the pattern board should be used with the load you intend to shoot. If you have a gun that has no issues, then yes you can believe a pattern board is a waste of time.
 
I don't use a pattering board with my MZ shotgun or smoothbore rifle. I just set a tin can up about 25 or 30 yards and shoot it. If I get four to eight pellets hitting the can and penetrating it, I'm happy. That's a dead rabbit, squirrel, bird.
 
I belong to a couple of forums that deal pretty much in double barrel shotguns. There are very knowledgeable people on them from all over the world. You tell them that to pattern on a board is a waste of time and see what kind of a response you get. If you have a shotgun with terribly regulated barrels, one barrel could be shooting several feet off of desired point of aim. Yes you could say , 'oh I guess I missed because the target is moving and I was not shooting to the correct spot". If you are happy with that, okay. But a test on the pattern board will show, with some guns, that to hit anything is pure luck. And the pattern board should be used with the load you intend to shoot. If you have a gun that has no issues, then yes you can believe a pattern board is a waste of time.
I strongly disagree , I never use a pattern board I can pick up any muzzle loading or breech loading shotgun in any bore size and kill 90% out of a 100 at 30 to 35 yards . It is how you hold a gun to start with and the follow through. You say that using a pattern board shows if the gun is shooting high or low not forgetting that this is a stationary target. All shot gun barrels from new are regulated to 30yards and put the shot from both barrels in the same spot. if one barrel or both are shooting high . low or left to right most of the time it is not the fault of the gun it is the person using it how many times have you seen a rifleman stance when shooting a shotgun which is no good for a shotgun. I know exactly what I am talking about I have done it for the past 74 years and I can still shoot a 100 plus shots in one session. No doubt many will say {Mister know all} but I know from experience what I am talking about and if I was wrong I would be the first to admit it .
Feltwad
 
No they are not all regulated at 30 yards. Except for high end guns, no shotguns are regulated at all. Close enough is considered close enough. I know nothing compared to most, and even I know that.

Suggesting not to pattern a shotgun is irresponsible at best.
 
No they are not all regulated at 30 yards. Except for high end guns, no shotguns are regulated at all. Close enough is considered close enough. I know nothing compared to most, and even I know that.

Suggesting not to pattern a shotgun is irresponsible at best.
Rubbish that all I have to say .
Feltwad
 
Felt Wad Has amply shown his experience and certainly is no five minet expert in these matters .
Rudyard
Nope. He is wrong.
Not all shotguns, of any type with more than one barrel is regulated to the same POI.
They maybe built on a jig that the maker hopes in but despite Brian's years he does not know everything but does assume much.
I dont know what has happened to the old boy but his attitude and intolerance to other entitled, experienced valid individuals on here is disgraceful.
Like it or lump it Rudyard he is rude.
 
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Hello Gentlemen, Rob here from North Alabama. I going to chime in on this issue. I have only been wing shooting since 1982 so I am not a know it all. I do have alot of experience pattern testing mainly the different types of non toxic shot. Steel, tungsten iron, Hevi Shot, ITX, Tungsten Matrix, Alot of Bismuth/Tin which I make and finally TSS. I have sent Thousands of rounds down range at pattern boards since I was a teenager. I respectfully disagree with the esteemed gentleman from England. Yes shotguns shoot shot strings which is well known. However since a pattern board is 2D and the shot string is 3D some assume patterning is not worth while. Knowing your guns pattern is important because it can give you very valuable clues as to the over all density and especially the core density of your pattern as it responds to the different variables you introduce into your guns barrel or barrels. Namely, powder type, manufacturer and size, shot load size and material makeup, the various different types of wadding used and OP wads and OS wads. All in my experience can definitely effect patterns and shot strings. Core density is very important when shooting past 30 yards. Core density is the innermost 20 inches of your pattern from your POA or some say POI. If most of your shooting is done 30 yards and in then you want a nice even spread of pellets within your 30 inch circle and core density is really not important. However shooting past 30 yards requires good core density especially on large game birds like waterfowl (especially divers). One above poster mentions pellet strikes and overall averages within a 30 inch pattern circle which can relate directly to a loads performance level at a given range. I believe he is referencing the Olin Winchester tests that were carried out decades ago but have proven their worth in giving hunters a benchmark to go by here in the US. Mr. Ed Lowry has a shot program that is outstanding and uses the Energy Density formula which recommends for large waterfowl and pheasant sized game a ED of 235 ft-lbs/in2 within a 30 inch pattern at a given range. I have found this to be fairly accurate. This was a test that USFW did where they shot 4400 Mallard ducks at (controlled conditions) with steel shot, copper shot And lead shot. The internet link I have is dead now. The problem with this report however is it is for only 3 types of shot and lead is not used for waterfowling anymore. I do believe it is still s decent benchmark on the energy density regardless of shot type. Also as to patterning since I hunt squirrels which are stationary targets I find it worthwhile that I also have a good core density for these types of targets. In the end to each his own and I hope that everyone has good luck doing their own thing. I also might add that the program can be used for Muzzleloading shotguns and not just breech loaders. It does help to know the MV (muzzle velocity) or there abouts. I hope this helps gentlemen and I wish you all good shooting.
Peace😁
 

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If you shoot at a pattern board you will find out that the old “square load” has hole in it at just 20 yards. Hole big enough to fit a dove in or even at times big enough for a pheasant or a quail. I emulate Mike Bellevue on the way I pattern my 20 gauge Fowler. Less powder but more shot. With 80 grains of FFg and 1 3/4 oz shot it will put about 70x80% of the shot in a 30 inch circle with no holes in the pattern at 35 yards. I don’t pattern to see if I hit high or low,,but rather to se how much shot is going where I want and if I have hole in my pattern. Just my 2 cents
 
Hello Gentlemen, Rob here from North Alabama. I going to chime in on this issue. I have only been wing shooting since 1982 so I am not a know it all. I do have alot of experience pattern testing mainly the different types of non toxic shot. Steel, tungsten iron, Hevi Shot, ITX, Tungsten Matrix, Alot of Bismuth/Tin which I make and finally TSS. I have sent Thousands of rounds down range at pattern boards since I was a teenager. I respectfully disagree with the esteemed gentleman from England. Yes shotguns shoot shot strings which is well known. However since a pattern board is 2D and the shot string is 3D some assume patterning is not worth while. Knowing your guns pattern is important because it can give you very valuable clues as to the over all density and especially the core density of your pattern as it responds to the different variables you introduce into your guns barrel or barrels. Namely, powder type, manufacturer and size, shot load size and material makeup, the various different types of wadding used and OP wads and OS wads. All in my experience can definitely effect patterns and shot strings. Core density is very important when shooting past 30 yards. Core density is the innermost 20 inches of your pattern from your POA or some say POI. If most of your shooting is done 30 yards and in then you want a nice even spread of pellets within your 30 inch circle and core density is really not important. However shooting past 30 yards requires good core density especially on large game birds like waterfowl (especially divers). One above poster mentions pellet strikes and overall averages within a 30 inch pattern circle which can relate directly to a loads performance level at a given range. I believe he is referencing the Olin Winchester tests that were carried out decades ago but have proven their worth in giving hunters a benchmark to go by here in the US. Mr. Ed Lowry has a shot program that is outstanding and uses the Energy Density formula which recommends for large waterfowl and pheasant sized game a ED of 235 ft-lbs/in2 within a 30 inch pattern at a given range. I have found this to be fairly accurate. This was a test that USFW did where they shot 4400 Mallard ducks at (controlled conditions) with steel shot, copper shot And lead shot. The internet link I have is dead now. The problem with this report however is it is for only 3 types of shot and lead is not used for waterfowling anymore. I do believe it is still s decent benchmark on the energy density regardless of shot type. Also as to patterning since I hunt squirrels which are stationary targets I find it worthwhile that I also have a good core density for these types of targets. In the end to each his own and I hope that everyone has good luck doing their own thing. I also might add that the program can be used for Muzzleloading shotguns and not just breech loaders. It does help to know the MV (muzzle velocity) or there abouts. I hope this helps gentlemen and I wish you all good shooting.
Peace😁
Rob, Tried to send you a PM but don’t know if you got it. Anyway enjoyed your post
Thanks, Wayne
 
I have known both Feltwad and Rudyard personally for more years than I care to remember and respect them both highly. Feltwad may be a little Brusk on occasions but they both know what they are talking about,both having built or rebuilt more guns than most people own in a lifetime. Who is Brian by the way ?? OLD DOG ..
 
I have known both Feltwad and Rudyard personally for more years than I care to remember and respect them both highly. Feltwad may be a little Brusk on occasions but they both know what they are talking about,both having built or rebuilt more guns than most people own in a lifetime. Who is Brian by the way ?? OLD DOG ..
Yes I have often wondered who Brian was do not tell him keep him guessing.
Feltwad
 
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