Bore Butter ingredients

[jtmattison]

Does anyone know the ingredients in T/C's Bore Butter?
I read some articles but they contradicted. One said it was beeswax, crisco, and canola oil. Another said it was beeswax, olive oil and wintergreen.
Anyone know what it is REALLY made of??
I melted some today to lube some patches and it seemed like the olive oil/beeswax recipe is about right.
I make my own lube with beeswax, crisco, and canola oil and the consistency is much different.

Huntin

 

[gordy]

I,ve used Bore Butter for several years ,along with many other concoctions.I never did find out the exact contents,but I think Your pretty close.Bore Butter is a very contraversial subject on the CVA Forum.Several in-liners claim it caused their barrels to rust.I,ve always had good luck with it in my sidelocks. I still think the problem they have is caused by "not" getting all the moisture out of the bores.I've used every kind of lube/preserveitive to keep my guns from rusting includeing old motor oil off the dip stick.Never had a problem as long as the metal was dry!Good chance several folks will jump in here and offer up their opinions,good and bad. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif ::

 

[jtmattison]

I personally would not use Bore Butter as a protectant on my rifles.
I think the wax in it (if that is what is in it) would trap any remaining moisture causing the rust.
I always clean my rifles thoroughly and let dry and then apply a light coat of Rem-Oil with teflon.
I'm interested to know the exact ingredients so I can duplicate it as a patch and conical lube.
My homemade lube works really good already, just looking for other ideas.

Huntin

 

[roundball]

Natural Lube 1000 is the only thing I've put in the bores of my muzzleloaders for the past 15 years...starting in the late 80's with a Knight inline...then through and including a number of TC Hawken percussions & flintlocks, using both Pyrodex and Goex.

They're all still as clean as the day I bought them...the bore problems people complain about come from a bore not being:
1) 100% completely clean
2) 100% completely dried
3) 100% completely lubed
If #1 and #2 are done properly, any lube will do to prevent rust...but I'll keep using NL 1000 because not only is it a good a good bore lube, it's my maxi-hunter lube, it's an excellent patch lube, and it lets me shoot all day without wiping between shots...

 

"Does anyone know the ingredients in T/C's Bore Butter? I read some articles but they contradicted. One said it was beeswax, crisco, and canola oil. Another said it was beeswax, olive oil and wintergreen.

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I would tend to say that.....
beeswax
olive oil
neatsfoot
paraffin
wintergreen
.... is Bore Butter/Wonderlube 1000

Products like Bore Butter/Wonderlube 1000 (almost identical) are not on my recommended list because they harm your barrel should you make a gun-storing cleaning mistake & nobody reading this reply outside of my wife is perfect.

Buy products that displace moisture from your barrel. Buy products that say "prevent rust" ... not "inhibits rust".

Yes.. I use Bore Butter/Wonderlube 1000 as a patch and bullet lube when nothing else is available. Your muzzleloader bores should be stored in the same manner as your rimfire, centerfire, shotgun, pistol ... etc bores -- with a good gun oil. Nowadays, sabot/bullets are a little easier to load than the original ones of 10-20 years ago. Back then, a slippery bore was almost a must for the ML/BP shooter using sabots. That's no longer the case today. Here are a couple of alternative patch & bullet lubes I recommend.

Click Here For "Homemade Lube"

Click Here For "Young Country Lube 103"

 

[jtmattison]

I still, after a couple days of research cannot find anywhere what the ingredients to Bore Butter are.
I looked for a MSDS on it but since it is non-toxic it does not have one. The tube just says it is non-toxic, food grade, and biodegradeable. Argh!
I'll figure this stuff out if it's the last thing I do!
I need a laboratory and a top notch chemist.

P.S. I'm looking for a good source of cheap beeswax but can't find any under $6-7 a pound plus shipping.
Does anyone know of a cheap supplier of beeswax?


Huntin

 

[Stumpkiller]

Believe it or not places like Home Depot or Lowes. Ask for a wax toilet bowl floor seal or wax ring. Some are pure beeswax, but many are other sealants now. Check carefully. You do not want the Wax-Free variety (though it might work as well???)

Here's one for $1.39 at Do It Best.

http://doitbest.com/shop/product.asp?mscssid=QKTJ307LGWA59JGD07VHG39WRL8S28QA&mbrid=4724&dept%5Fid=1554&sku=411897

Candle making suppliers, Dixie Gun Works, Beekeepers (look in the yellow pages or under "Honey")

Here's a beekeeper that sells it at $3.75/pound, but with shipping it's proabbly no better than you mentioned

http://www.beeequipment.com/shop.asp

 

[Claude Mathis]

I've seen these but have always been skeptical, even if they say 100 bee's wax. I have a lot of bee's wax and never seen pure bee's wax that wasn't rock hard when cooled. All these toilet rings are soft and sticky even when cold.

 

[roundball]

I just installed a couple new ones recently (from Lowe's) and I'm pretty sure the gasket rings are synthetic...the whole affair being processed and formed, with hardware mounting bolts, nuts, & washers, packaging, etc, is only a few dollars...that much actual Bee's wax alone would cost a lot more than that wouldn't it?

Besides, I don't think there's enough Bee's in the country to make all the "wax" toilet bowl gasket rings that are used every day, and especially not for a mere $2-3

 

[jtmattison]

I picked up a "wax" ring at Home Depot today for $.68 and as Claude said it is soft and sticky.
Real beeswax is hard.
I was thinking about melting the ring and mixing with olive oil to see what I end up with.
I am trying to find out exactly what the ring is made of.

Huntin

 

Well here .02 cent worth and a bargan at that price! :haha:
This toilet bowl wax ring subject came up on another forum a year or so ago.
They used to be made from beeswax with an oil mixed in to make it sticky so it would seal. 100 % beeswax is really pretty hard stuff.
The wax rings today contain a lot of petrolium products and synthetic gunk that would screw up your barrel.
Petro products turn to tar when used with black powder.
For what it's worth.

 

[Stumpkiller]

Could well be and no doubt is. Everything else in the world changes. Mine did come from a Mom & Pop then-independent (now "True Value") hardware store in a town of maybe 1,600 folks where you could still find leather washers for outdoor 'garden' hand pumps and boxes of odd-ball gaskets and washers they would let you paw through on your own. Lord knows how long it set on a shelf there.

It certainly didn't have hardware and such molded into it.

There's a tree I can point out on the hill behind the house with wild bees, iffen you want really cheap wax.

 

[GrandLakeHunter]

Try leaf lard if you can't find beeswax. Keep the prelubed slugs under 100F and they'll be fine.

 

[hawkeye2]

Wow! an 18 year old thread is resurrected. Here is a link to an interesting article on the popular OTC bore lubes, a good read though it has been linked to on this forum before. If you are headed to the range and have forgotten your patch lube grab a couple tubes of ChapStick along with your coffee at the 7-11.

https://www.tndeer.com/threads/the-bore-butter-wonder-lube-scam.276697/

 

[hawkeye2]

Paul A Mathews has written an excellent book on black powder lubes and though it is aimed at cartridge guns it contains a wealth of information for anyone who wants to make their own lube.

Bullet Lubricants for the Black Powder Cartridge Rifle

 

[Brokennock]

I'm sure the o.p. has been waiting expectantly since 2004 to receive the answer/advice given this morning in 2022.

 

[hawkeye2]

I hope he hasn't been holding his breath in anticipation.

 

[Whughett]

I’ve got to get in the habit of noting dates on these threads.
Guess it’s true “stuff posted to the internet is forever.”
At any rate the thread is pirated already so

IMO. Bore Butter is a nice smelling way to throw money away. For lube, hand made with bees wax and ones choice of vegetable or animal fat.
For absolute cleaning and rust protection Ballistol. Ballistol is NOT moisture or water displacing. It’s water soluble, so when the moisture evaporates the oil is left behind. 10 years use no rust. Even the wooden stocks and any leather accoutrements benifit from it. Just smells funky.

 

[Omahkapi'si]

Now the poor guy can finally sleep at night.

 

[user 48679]

Is 18 years the record here ?