Flash hole

[olskool]

You ain't funny sir. Well, a littlefunny maybe. Don't think I haven't thought about that very thing. Your point well taken. I suppose there is only so much we can do. You are saying why worry about a period correct vent hole when most of our materials and methods are modern? Maybe a shrink could give us both some answers.

well i get a laugh or two, not trying to be funny here though, but what i am saying is who cares? just enjoy what we have now. if old daniel boone had a stainless vent liner or a truck i am sure he would have use them! now you can laugh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[M. De Land]

The English were putting in gold or platinum liners in the 18th century. The concept was understood.

I think that was in nipples used in high end guns (Purdy's, Holland and Holland etc. ) but could have been used with flash hole liners I suppose I just have never seen an example of it.
I'm thinking if liners were probably generally a repair item, that platium or gold lining would not have been very practical for general purpose use.

 

[tenngun]

I think that was in nipples used in high end guns (Purdy's, Holland and Holland etc. ) but could have been used with flash hole liners I suppose I just have never seen an example of it.
I'm thinking if liners were probably generally a repair item, that platium or gold lining would not have been very practical for general purpose use.

This is from the great guns by Peterson and Elman, they don’t show a photo, but I’ve seen gold plated pans and touchholes

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

I think that was in nipples used in high end guns (Purdy's, Holland and Holland etc. ) but could have been used with flash hole liners I suppose I just have never seen an example of it.
I'm thinking if liners were probably generally a repair item, that platium or gold lining would not have been very practical for general purpose use.

Ok, you win . I'm a lying dumbass.

 

[Mike in FL]

well i get a laugh or two, not trying to be funny here though, but what i am saying is who cares? just enjoy what we have now. if old daniel boone had a stainless vent liner or a truck i am sure he would have use them! now you can laugh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yes sir. And if he had an M14, he would have used that. The flintlock rifle crowd of today has varying degrees of how seriously we take it. Perhaps me too much, and you not so much. Its all good as long as we don't push our way on others. Plus, we ought not take our hobbies so far that our playmates are offended. If I did that to anyone here, I was not careful and and i was unkind I'm my thoughts and words.

 

[M. De Land]

Ok, you win . I'm a lying dumbass.

No one said you were wrong or lying just that I had not seen one lined with gold or platinum so I could prove it is so..

 

[Mike in FL]

Sometimes I wish we could all meet somewhere and talk this stuff out in person. I'm certain we wood all come away with a bright new perception of each other, that we are all just good people with a similar interests.

 

[olskool]

Yes sir. And if he had an M14, he would have used that. The flintlock rifle crowd of today has varying degrees of how seriously we take it. Perhaps me too much, and you not so much. Its all good as long as we don't push our way on others. Plus, we ought not take our hobbies so far that our playmates are offended. If I did that to anyone here, I was not careful and and i was unkind I'm my thoughts and words.

i don't think anybody was offended brother, if they were they will get over it. i like to be authentic also, as much as common sense will allow anyway. but it will never be the way it once was,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

No one said you were wrong or lying just that I had not seen one lined with gold or platinum so I could prove it is so..

Seen many 18th century english guns?

 

[Grenadier1758]

This is an image of an 18th century internal touch hole coning tool. Internal coning was known and practiced.

The breech plug was removed, and the tool was inserted to turn the bur in the touch hole to make an internal cone.

Touch hole liners were not exactly common on top line English and other Continental rifles, but the gold and platinum liners were known. Touch hole liners do not show up on rifles and fowling guns made in North America. There was a carryover of the liners into the percussion age as it was believed that a vent was needed or the internal pressure from a percussion ignition could burst the barrel. Once it was sufficiently determined that barrels wouldn't burst, the practice of a percussion vent liner was discontinued.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

Here are the pics. If I screw this up I will try again. Keep in mind I'm not a good photographer. If you can't clearly see what you need I will try again.

That's the exact same as mine. Normally as long as something works, I don't care but for some reason that makes me tweak.

 

[M. De Land]

Seen many 18th century english guns?

No I haven't, care to show and example of a platinum or gold " liner-ed flash hole " gun so I can say I have actually seen one and not just heard that they exist.
A high end gun having the original flash hole platinum/ gold lined probably happened but a gun repaired with a flash hole liner plated with Platinum/Gold I doubt ever happened as a repair item which is the context in which I made the comment.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Buy some books and go to some gunshows. It's not my responsibility to do your research for you.

 

[appalichian hunter]

This is very interesting years ago I visited Keith Casteels shop (at the time was not far from where I live) He was working on a rifle that he had installed a gold touch hole as well as lined the pan in gold (yes, I know perhaps a fantasy build, but very nice gun) A quick search does show an early flintlock pistol with a gold lined touch hole. It is an officer's pistol attributed to English gun maker Joseph Griffin, said pistol is dated to the F&I period. for Reference go to H.L.Blackmores London gun makers writings. Don't fret the small stuff Numb, like I said you have a lot to pass on.

 

[Grenadier1758]

Here's some pictures.

One line is platinum and the other is gold.

 

[appalichian hunter]

One would even think if the gun was originally gold, platinum touch hole lined and it did eventually wear to the point of needing replaced, the owner would re-place it with one of original build, as to my line of thinking the owner went with a gold, platinum one for a reason and would want to stay that way on the re-placement.

 

[M. De Land]

Here's some pictures.

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Thank you for the photo and taking the time to advance my education rather than being offended at being questioned. I don't remember seeing a platinum or gold flash hole liner before but have read of lined nipples that are used in long range muzzle loading rifles that burn out nipples quickly in the past as well as present.

I still doubt they were ever used to repair burned out flash holes in guns they were not original to.

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One line is platinum and the other is gold.

 

[French Colonial]

I think it would depend on who repaired the burned out flash hole, a highly trained gunsmith or not so much trained gunsmith.

Regardless, they were not unknown.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Gold lined pans and gold on the underside of the frizzen were common on English guns.

 

[Grenadier1758]

Yup, @Comfortably_Numb, and you were a contributor to that 5 year old thread that I stole the pictures from.

@M. De Land, whether the liners were used for repair or an original installation, liners did exist. As for repair, as @French Colonial observes, it would depend on the capabilities of the gunsmith. More likely, the bad breech would be cut off and the stock altered to reposition the barrel underlugs.