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Yup. I know that, but here in UK centre-fire semi-autos are called 'prohibited firearms', so us plebs can't have them.
I have always maintained that 1860-65 is a safe cut off time for antique firearms in a muzzle loading forum, raising it to 1899 will surely cause problems it will open the door to breech loaders for which they are also classed has antique
Has the date at present is 1865 there were some breech loaders built prior to that date such has pinfire and underlever hammer guns, but they were not allowed in any forums so this rule should along with repros still stand
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Has the date at present is 1865 there were some breech loaders built prior to that date such has pinfire and underlever hammer guns, but they were not allowed in any forums so this rule should along with repros still stand
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I support the 1899 date too. That was basically the date that smokeless propellants started replacing black powder as a propellant. This was the date that they started mass producing guns that used smokeless propellants as we know it for today. Yes they had guns before then but 1899 tends to be the cutoff date.
I think that as long as they are muzzle loading and aren’t considered a modern inline then it is OK for this forum. But this winds up being a grey area of sorts though.
I think that as long as they are muzzle loading and aren’t considered a modern inline then it is OK for this forum. But this winds up being a grey area of sorts though.
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I agree.
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I like the 1899 cut off date. Many antique Muzzleloaders were made after 1865. Especially shot guns. They often show up in identifying thread. As long as they use a cap or flint and aren’t a post Civil War in line or breechloaders there is a place for them.
Beautiful piece with unique technology & craftmanship, way ahead of the times !!!
Now the question arises whether this gun is still in the topic
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The British military also created a breech-loading flintlock rifle..
Early Browning percussion rifles featured 5-shot harmonica type magazines, similar to our Civil War revolvers & percussion Sharps rifles.
The term 'Antique Muzzleloaders' covers more types of firearms than those that load from the muzzle.
relic shooter
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Speaking as a competitor & former antique arms seller at muzleloading events over the past 60 years I also
support the 1899 date.
Many of us favor a particular era or type of black powder firearm that 'fit' into the Muzzleloading Category.
Do we really want to ban the following types of very early historical black powder firearms & include our Colt & Remington revolvers as well ??
During our American Revolution the British military created a breech-loading flintlock rifle &
early Browning percussion rifles featured 5-shot harmonica type magazines & similar technology was adopted to create our percussion
paper cartridge firing Civil War revolvers & Sharps rifles.
Please keep in mind that the term 'Original Antique Muzzleloaders' also covers the above types of flint & percussion era firearms..
relic shooter
Kuna, Idaho
support the 1899 date.
Many of us favor a particular era or type of black powder firearm that 'fit' into the Muzzleloading Category.
Do we really want to ban the following types of very early historical black powder firearms & include our Colt & Remington revolvers as well ??
During our American Revolution the British military created a breech-loading flintlock rifle &
early Browning percussion rifles featured 5-shot harmonica type magazines & similar technology was adopted to create our percussion
paper cartridge firing Civil War revolvers & Sharps rifles.
Please keep in mind that the term 'Original Antique Muzzleloaders' also covers the above types of flint & percussion era firearms..
relic shooter
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Sir, the British military did not 'create a breech-loading flintlock rifle', but Patrick Ferguson did, in spite of the opposition of the British military.
Of course your absolutely correct , my bad for injecting military & omitting Mr. Ferguson's name.
I was just reinforcing the unique percussion pistol posting by forum member Bayer 1957.. Some forum members may not be aware of the different varieties of flint & percussion firearms & in my humble opinion should not be omitted from this proposed new Original Antique Firearms category.
My vote would be for pre 1860. Anything later than that could muddy the waters in my opinion.
Uncle Miltie
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The first Hall rifles (Model 1819) were made with flintlock ignition and I think would qualify as well.
Walkingeagle
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Honest opinion, the moment we accept non-muzzleloaders, even if it is an original and within the pre determined date, this entire forum need not exist. This is a muzzleloading forum, for muzzleloader enthusiasts.
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Yes, yes, and yes.
that name sounds a lot like a SCOTSCH ONE to me?
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