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RAEDWALD

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I came across an old post I had made elsewhere. I thought that I would repeat it here just as an antidote to the surgical cleansing regime beloved by some posters here. Not muzzleloading, so strictly OT, but is a real period practice for cleaning black powder military rifles.
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I couldn't help showing this classic example of petty government 'generosity' to the troops: 'The General Commanding in Chief has also entered into an arrangement with the War Office, by which “Cloth Selvages” will be issued to Regiments and Depôts with the annual supplies of clothing in such quantities as to allow for each Soldier twelve strips, eight inches long by one inch in width. Each of these strips would make two or three wipers or sponges, which, with care and economy, would be sufficient to last a year.

The unused strips should be carried in the men’s knapsacks, and be produced at all inspections of necessaries. The wiper in use should be carried in the expense pouch, in which a perfectly clean piece should also be kept, for the purpose of being inserted in the jag of the ramrod when the arms are examined, and shown to the Officer inspecting the Company, who will thus have the means of satisfying himself as to the state of the barrels of the rifles. Care must be taken when the barrels are washed out with water that the wiper is not placed with the ammunition in the expense pouch till thoroughly dry.'

It reminds me of the old Red Army where the conscript was issued with x4 footcloths to wrap his feet in his boots (in lieu of socks) and they were to be handed back at the end of his service in good condition.

One 8" x 1" strip per month and you have to always have an clean piece for inspections. Nothing but the best for the rude and licentious!
 
Seems times have never changed. Ever been to a restaurant that has models of their foods all cast in resin all painted and plated looking more like the real thing than the real thing? The military should just have similar stuff made up for service people to lay out for inspections. I know I was not alone in acquiring a second set of junk that was never to be used and simply laid out every now and again to satisfy the local Gods that I was not asleep at the wheel.
 
Raedwald,

From what time period came the posted quote?

In the early 70's, money was so short in the Marine Corps, we jokingly gave instruction on how to use only one sheet of U.S. Government Issue, 80 grit toilet paper.

Gus

P.S. In the summer of 1972, I participated in my first "3 Day War" games. Each Marine was issued ONE box of 20 blank rounds and told not to shoot it all up in the first mock firefight.
 
Such use of pieces of gun cleaning cloth seems reasonable given the paucity of cloth in those days.
 
This was for the Martini Henry early 1880s.

In the British army in the 1970/80s getting some 4x2 out of the Colour Sergeant was like asking for the virginity of his eldest daughter. I quote from real life 'have you used both sides?'

In my second engagement with the colours I bought all my own kit (much better than the issued items) and kept one set of issue from stores for inspection.
 
More to do with the primer composition me thinks.

Black powder is corrosive to the extreme.

Burning question: Why are bores of the vast majority of period flintlocks also trashed?

My Grand Pa was in the 62nd VA Mounted Infantry (Confederate). i have a copy of his Civil War diary. He makes one reference to the cleaning of firearms: "In camp there was kettle of hot water and soap for cleaning our guns."
 
Burning question: Why are bores of the vast majority of period flintlocks also trashed?

Maybe from the old adage - "When you load the next, you clean the first"?
 
Okie Hog said:
More to do with the primer composition me thinks.

Black powder is corrosive to the extreme.

Burning question: Why are bores of the vast majority of period flintlocks also trashed?

My Grand Pa was in the 62nd VA Mounted Infantry (Confederate). i have a copy of his Civil War diary. He makes one reference to the cleaning of firearms: "In camp there was kettle of hot water and soap for cleaning our guns."
The thread is regarding an early breach loader that used corrosive primers.
Black powder is not corrosive.
On combustion salts are formed.
The fouling is hygroscopic and thus the water dissolves the salts. That is a corrosive solution.
Using a good vegetable oil or fat, or an animal oil or fat based lubricant absorbs salts and forms a barrier between steel and any salt solution.

B.
 
Meek told a story about his first year going west. He was working for SJS at the time. It’s been years since I read it but it was 1827 as I recall. I don’t recall if it was Sublett or Jackson leading the brigade.
Anyway, the Bushway was inspecting the men and told one to clean his rifle. Later he repeated that to the recalcitrant man who had not yet cleans his gun. Then later when he saw the gun still dirty and offered Meek $10 to clean the gun. meek did, and the owner laughed, that both men ”˜made out well’. The owner wasn’t laughing when he found out that $10 was coming out of his pay.
I would bet the rifle was issued by the company. So SJS had a finical investment in the gun and wanted to keep it in best possible shape.
Schoolcraft talks about his rifle not working in his trip through the ozarks. I wonder that it was just poor maintance.
Worms and molds were often supplied with the gun and an extra wiping stick was often careered in the bore of a loaded gun.
I would question the one mention of cleaning in camp referenced was just because it was so common an activity that it wasn’t referenced more often :idunno:
Are so many old bore trash because the gun had fallen out of use and the last time shot was put up dirty by uncareing owner and then ignored for decades,
 
Rifleman1776 said:
Smokey Plainsman said:
I heard some would tie a wad of flax tow with a string on. Ram the tow down the bore and use the string to pull it back out. Repeat.

Seems that would cram a lot of crud down into the breech.

That's what I call "Tow and Toggle". That's what I use to keep my bore more ore less cleaned up when I go on Woods Walks. It's one of the best wipe between shots as it slides over the fouling and pulls a big wad out. A quick pour of water cleans the fouling and it is damp and ready for the next time I need it.
 

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