Walmart CCI caps misfire

[Loja man]

So I finally received and installed my new peep sights this week on my TC New Englander. Yesterday I sighted it in! Was supper pleased with the sights! Was not super pleased with caps!!!!!
4 shots in I ran out of the Remington caps I was given when I bought the gun a couple years ago. A month or so ago I bought some CCI caps at Walmart because they had them. I know a lot of the standard ammunition they sell is kind of factory seconds. Well on the low side of tolerance. Because I was on my way hunting and wanted extras I set the Walmart one of to the side. I had my dad pick me up some CCI from sportsman’s warehouse. Yesterday when I went out to sight my rifle I could only find the tin from Walmart.

First Walmart CCI cap was a miss fire. Used the nipple pic then tried second cap. It hung fired. The next five also hung fired. After the third hang fire I pulled the nipple, cleaned it and reinstalled.

So....... has any one else had issues with Walmart CCI caps?How about CCI caps from sportsman? Going back out hunting next week and really don’t want to miss a deer becouse of hang fires!!
Aaron

 

[Grenadier1758]

I have used CCI caps, #11, #10 and #11 Magnum that I have bought from Graf and Sons. They have performed well. There really shouldn't be any difference in CCI caps retailed by Walmart or Graf and Sons. If the caps fired, then there may be something in the flash channel that needs to be cleared. Verify that there is a clear flash channel from the nipple seat to the powder chamber. Remove the nipple and run a pipe cleaner from the nipple seat into the powder chamber. The CCI caps may contain a bit less primer material than the Remington caps, but they still should be adequate to get fire from the nipple to the main charge.

Are you using Pyrodex? Hang fires are common with Pyrodex and most of the substitute powders. Get the CCI Magnum caps.

If you, @Loja man, want to avoid hang fires, only use Real Black Powder such as GOEX, Scheutzen, or Swiss.

 

[Loja man]

I’m assuming the magnum caps specify their magnum? The ones I bought nowhere say magnum. Or are all CCI caps classified as “magnum”?

I didn’t have a pipe cleaner but I did take the nipple off and run my nipple pic down in the channel some.

 

[Grenadier1758]

CCI Magnum caps have "Magnum" printed in red on the tin and on the packaging. You need something flexible to run from the nipple seat to the powder chamber. You can pull the nipple, use a damp patch on your jag and blow out the flash channel. You can also, using the damp patch on your jag, run the patch to the breech. Then fire a cap and that should blow a lot of the fouling into the damp patch to be pulled out.

 

[Loja man]

Okay, thank you for all the extra tips.
what I have dosent say magnum anywhere. So should I find some magnum caps to use vers what I have?

 

[Loja man]

Do you order the magnum one? Becouse what I have from sportsman wherehouse are the same as the ones Walmart sold.

 

[Stony Broke]

If I were you, I'd replace the nipple and clean the flash channel good with a pipe cleaner. I sincerely doubt you are having problems with the caps, as I have used standard CCI's for probably 50 years with no problems. I agree that anything other than good old black powder can add to your problems as well.

 

[Grenadier1758]

I'll affirm what @Stony Broke said.

What powder are you using? That may be most of the problem you are having with hang fires.

 

[Loja man]

Right now I am trying to use up the last of the Pyrodex that came with the gun. So that is what I am using.

 

[kje54]

Right now I am trying to use up the last of the Pyrodex that came with the gun. So that is what I am using.

As others have stated there's you problem, not the caps per se. If you're going to use Pyrodex you need the magnums to reduce the number of hang fires.

 

[Okie Hog]

Pyrodex is harder to light that black powder. You should clean the flash channel with a bristled pipe cleaner and use magnum caps. After loading powder lean the rifle lock side down and slap the stock a couple times, that allows powder to enter the flash channel.

 

[Loja man]

I do slap the rifle stock every time after loading. How dose triple7 do with the standard cap?

 

[SDSmlf]

I do slap the rifle stock every time after loading. How dose triple7 do with the standard cap?

Have found Triple7 to be more difficult to light up than Pyrodex. Would recommend mag caps for both.

You also say you are slapping the rifle stock after loading. What @Okie Hog suggested was ‘after loading powder lean the rifle lock side down and slap the stock a couple times’. You do this with just the loose powder in bore, before you load the bullet, for best effect, at least in my opinion.

 

[Loja man]

“You also say you are slapping the rifle stock after loading. What @Okie Hog suggested was ‘after loading powder lean the rifle lock side down and slap the stock a couple times’. You do this with just the loose powder in bore, before you load the bullet, for best effect, at least in my opinion”.

Got it, I will that next.

 

[Treestalker]

You need to get a piece of fine piano wire to make a nipple pick out of. Just don't let the music teacher catch you cutting a piece out of their piano; they really hate it when they can't hit that high 'C' above the staff, LOL!

 

[Grenadier1758]

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4 shots in I ran out of the Remington caps I was given when I bought the gun a couple years ago.
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Aaron

Right now I am trying to use up the last of the Pyrodex that came with the gun. So that is what I am using.

Pyrodex is notorious for getting harder to ignite after the can has been opened. Especially so after a couple of years. Triple Seven is also hard to ignite with standard caps. To improve ignition, CCI and Winchester introduced Magnum caps.

1. You need Magnum caps.

2. There are several brands of nipples that improve the carrying of the hot flash to the powder. The Hot Shot nipple or Spitfire nipples are two brands that improve the direction of the flow of the hot cap flash to the powder charge.

 

[Kansas Jake]

To me the simplest answer is CCI caps are different than Remington caps in size. Your Remingtons probably fit the nipple better. If the CCIs aren't fully seated they will fail to fire or maybe hang fire. You might check that first and if they aren't going on fully or if they fire after a second hit of the hammer try turning down the nipple slightly to get them down on the nipple more. For instance number 10 Remingtons will not be the same as CCI 10s.

If you have to switch back and forth between brands you may want to use two different nipples and have them in a bag market for each. Kind of PIA, but at least then you may have reliable ignition.

 

[Bent Sight]

I've purchased CCI # 11 caps from the local pawn shop, Scheel's and MidwayUSA. I use them to ignite Pyrodex RS in my .50 caliber. I've had issues with hang fires or no ignition at all when I did not make sure the barrel and patent breech were dry and the nipple clear before loading.

I induced some of the problems myself by swabbing the barrel between shots with a really tight patch and pushing fouling into the patent breech and flash channel. I've also induced problems by being overzealous with patch lube when shooting light charges.

It could be that all you need to do is a thoroughly cleaning of the barrel with attention paid to the nipple and flash channel.

 

[Brokennock]

Find a pack of CCI caps from another source, compare skew numbers. I'm betting the Walmart one is different.
I noticed a long time ago while working in a gunshop with a public range that certain brand of ammo that we would get shot fine and were of average cleanliness and smoke level. Folks would come in with the same brand ammo, same box and everything, and it would be smokey and filthy. "Where did you buy this?" "Walmart"
Finally one day I tried to put some that s guy traded to us into inventory, the skew wouldn't bring the product up even though we regularly stocked that item.

 

[Timber Wolf]

Being a cheapska....., I mean frugal shooter, I too am using up some old Pyrodex. It seems that from my own shooting, and getting opened cans with various used muzzleloader purchases, I have ended up with several partial pounds of Pyrodex RS. Thus far I have resisted the urge to mix it all together in one can in favor of just using it up. Any excuse to shoot right? Luckily I recently joined the ranks of the truly deranged and bought some flintlocks, so also have ffffg (4f) real black on hand. With a dab of 4f as a kicker, or 3f, or 2f for that matter, I have successfully set off charges of the nastiest used-coffee-grounds looking Pyrodex in my inventory. And in both percussion and flintlock rifles. I am not really making a recommendation, just reporting.