I need a gun kit that I can start my gunsmithing journey with. Something cheap but not manure. I've seen the kibler kits and they are beautiful but I don't wanna ruin something like that with my shotty work. I've seen some cheaper kits but they are all 50cal deer rifles. Btw I'm not really looking for one of you to sell me one really I'm looking for a website or whatever I can goto. But I'm not opposed either I guess.
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Most affordable smoothbore kit
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They are all expensive unfortunately . If you ever want to build a N.W. trade gun just holler at me and I'll send you a building manual via. email . It really helped me get started building N.W. guns ... The one pictured , short barreled if I got the right darn pic ! LOL ... Has less than $300 in it ... They arent easy build but if you dont get in a hurry you can do it . Walt on here built his. first one and did a GREAT job !!
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Sitting fox has a few smoothbore kits boxed up and ready to ship they aren't too expensive.
You'd have to try hard to ruin a Kibler kit, and like Rob stated above there really aren't any cheap options out there for a smoothbore kit. I have always wondered why the Italian manufacturers like Traditions never offered a simple single barrel smoothbore gun in their line up. Lots of cheap rifle kit models but not a single smoothbore offering. Even if they just offered a smooth barrel option on one of their rifle kits I bet they would sell.
Yeah I know I tend to break things alot. I'd like atleast SOME wood working experience b4 dropping 1k
Yeah man it's crazy I may get a cheap rifle kit but I REALLY want something for shooting geese
+1 on Sitting Fox. My mainstay is a .54 smoothbore kit from Sitting Fox. If I had to do it again, I'd probably go with .62/20ga. Make sure the lock is inletted for your first kit.
Sitting Fox is a number one in my book.
But…..
It is a more complex kit to assemble then Kibler.
Sitting Fox will do some work getting it all the way up to just an in the white, but then the price is right in Kibler ball park
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Building from a blank is cheaper than any kit. You are not limited to just what is available. You can build anything you want to. Best of all, building from a blank is a lot easier than from one of the kits with a pre-carved stock.
Traditions has a couple of Civil War smooth bore kits but I recommend that you avoid. There are several YouTube videos out that show the numerous problems with them. Such as extensive fitting needed to fit, holes improperly drilled, and wood removed excessively.
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My opinion clay smith’s kits are the most affordable for the quality.
He makes a find trade gun kit.
If you have the tools, time and space.
Same can be said for some of the kits recommended. Soldering on or cutting dovetails for barrel mountings and furniture are not new builder friendly.
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Yea, I’d find a kit where the dovetails are cut, with modern Mills they can be easily cut with dovetail cutter for a low cost.
Clay Smith does that work if you ask him to, as does SittingFox and Pecatonica.
If you want it for shooting geese, you're probably going to want a 12 or 10ga.
Like you, I wanted to actually learn some gun building instead of slapping some parts together.
My first was a stock blank that already had the barrel inletted and ramrod hole drilled, I highly recommend this route for starters. I assembled the other parts piece at a time until I had everything. I bought all of the how to books and watched all the building videos but hands on experience is the best and never reach for something that cuts wood faster. I did use Gunsmith of Grenville County as a desk reference but later decided that although popular there are better ways to build a gun than it implied. I would work on this gun off and on, goof up and correct my goof up, take a break and start again. I took me two years to finish this gun. I used a TOW full sized plan to guide my wood shaping.
On to #2 and more up your alley, I built a 12 ga fowler. Same as before, a stock blank from Dunlap, the barrel inletted and ramrod hole drilled by Fred Miller (now retired), a full-sized plan from Track and a pile of parts. After gun #1, I didn't need any bench reference and knew how stuff was supposed to go together. I found out on gun #1 not to follow the track plan to the letter because your parts and the ones in the plan will not be the same size or fit. On Gun #1 I measured my lock placement exactly to be the same as the plan and found out their lock was longer and had a different sear location. If I had already cut the stock for a butt plate, I would have had a 12 length of pull instead of my needed 13 1/2", luckily I hadn't cut the stock yet.
Transferring the plan to a cardboard templet for initial stock shaping.
This plan shows cut-a-ways on how the stock should be shaped from stem to stern.
I think I had a year in this one, the butt plate took me forever, I just couldn't get it gap free until I heated it red hot and gave it a few whacks where the gaps were. It would have easily been a 6 month build if I hadn't struggled with the butt plate so much. I don't work on a gun full time, there is deer season, gardening season, work-out schedule and such to make my gun building sporadic. I had the barrel jug choked full by Caywood.
Now on to # 3, a pre-carve, I have done two, never again. I didn't let them do the lock inlet on #3, THANK GOODNESS I didn't. This pre-carve was not terrible but... My blank came back with an inch of extra wood one side of the barrel and 1/8" one the other side, it was that off center. Thankfully I was building a very slender TN rifle and could make it work. Their router had gotten off track and gouged out a lot of places that I had to fix.
#4 was a Kibler SMR, it was so easy to finish I felt guilty because I only had about 10 hours in it start to finished gun.
#5 was a Track Haines pre-carve kit I picked up at a half price bargain. The pre-carve had over a dozen MAJOR flaws including a lock inlet that put the pan below the side flat of the barrel,
The wood had more figure than any I had worked with, I should have trashed it and started over with a blank but I forged ahead out of bull headedness. A year and a half later I had a finished gun and had almost no hair left on my head because I had pulled it all out when I got P$$ed at the mess I was working with.
So, go with a blank, have the barrel inletted and ramrod hole drilled, use a plan for reference and actually learn how to build a gun. It looks daunting but it is far easier to build from a blank than spend time fixing the goof ups on a pre-carve.
There is one exception, his name is Mark Weider, if you let him shape the buttstock and even inlet the lock after he inlets the barrel and drills the ramrod hole it will be as close to perfect as can be. I don't have contact info but he has a couple of videos on YouTube. He is a one man show and does stocks one at a time, the other place lines blanks up on a duplicator and hacks them into a gun looking up object.
My first was a stock blank that already had the barrel inletted and ramrod hole drilled, I highly recommend this route for starters. I assembled the other parts piece at a time until I had everything. I bought all of the how to books and watched all the building videos but hands on experience is the best and never reach for something that cuts wood faster. I did use Gunsmith of Grenville County as a desk reference but later decided that although popular there are better ways to build a gun than it implied. I would work on this gun off and on, goof up and correct my goof up, take a break and start again. I took me two years to finish this gun. I used a TOW full sized plan to guide my wood shaping.
On to #2 and more up your alley, I built a 12 ga fowler. Same as before, a stock blank from Dunlap, the barrel inletted and ramrod hole drilled by Fred Miller (now retired), a full-sized plan from Track and a pile of parts. After gun #1, I didn't need any bench reference and knew how stuff was supposed to go together. I found out on gun #1 not to follow the track plan to the letter because your parts and the ones in the plan will not be the same size or fit. On Gun #1 I measured my lock placement exactly to be the same as the plan and found out their lock was longer and had a different sear location. If I had already cut the stock for a butt plate, I would have had a 12 length of pull instead of my needed 13 1/2", luckily I hadn't cut the stock yet.
Transferring the plan to a cardboard templet for initial stock shaping.
This plan shows cut-a-ways on how the stock should be shaped from stem to stern.
I think I had a year in this one, the butt plate took me forever, I just couldn't get it gap free until I heated it red hot and gave it a few whacks where the gaps were. It would have easily been a 6 month build if I hadn't struggled with the butt plate so much. I don't work on a gun full time, there is deer season, gardening season, work-out schedule and such to make my gun building sporadic. I had the barrel jug choked full by Caywood.
Now on to # 3, a pre-carve, I have done two, never again. I didn't let them do the lock inlet on #3, THANK GOODNESS I didn't. This pre-carve was not terrible but... My blank came back with an inch of extra wood one side of the barrel and 1/8" one the other side, it was that off center. Thankfully I was building a very slender TN rifle and could make it work. Their router had gotten off track and gouged out a lot of places that I had to fix.
#4 was a Kibler SMR, it was so easy to finish I felt guilty because I only had about 10 hours in it start to finished gun.
#5 was a Track Haines pre-carve kit I picked up at a half price bargain. The pre-carve had over a dozen MAJOR flaws including a lock inlet that put the pan below the side flat of the barrel,
The wood had more figure than any I had worked with, I should have trashed it and started over with a blank but I forged ahead out of bull headedness. A year and a half later I had a finished gun and had almost no hair left on my head because I had pulled it all out when I got P$$ed at the mess I was working with.
So, go with a blank, have the barrel inletted and ramrod hole drilled, use a plan for reference and actually learn how to build a gun. It looks daunting but it is far easier to build from a blank than spend time fixing the goof ups on a pre-carve.
There is one exception, his name is Mark Weider, if you let him shape the buttstock and even inlet the lock after he inlets the barrel and drills the ramrod hole it will be as close to perfect as can be. I don't have contact info but he has a couple of videos on YouTube. He is a one man show and does stocks one at a time, the other place lines blanks up on a duplicator and hacks them into a gun looking up object.
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Yo dirt good to hear from u. I forgot u had a few kibler kits. If I were to get a kit and have issues you would help me out right? What was ur first?
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Not knowing you budget. The Kibler Woods Runner comes with several key parts installed. Go to YouTube and watch his videos. Even if you don’t buy his it’s good knowledge.
I kinda like , ( though have not held one) his Bumford.
Could prob be of some help. A .58 cal smoothbore Kibler Colonial. Been waiting on him to release that fowler kit.
BillyC
Shooting my .45 better every time
The OP says he doesn’t think he has the skills to not mess up a Kibler assembly, no way he has the skills to build from a blank.
