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Choked Barrel?
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Another self conscious answer , Phone the police what for ?. I will close my reply with grow up stop silly remarks and come back when you get more experience
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I would rate it a bit higher than that, the cardboard is 32" wide. No matter, that one squirrel is dead, at 50 yards from a cylinder bore.
Yeah, more patterns would be good, but I've had essentially that same results using that load in other cylinder bores, and it has proved to be good in the field.
Three statisticians went duck hunting. A duck flew by and the first shot at it, but shot 3 feet high. The second fired, but shot 3 feet low. The third exclaimed, "We got it!"
Spence
There are a number of things that I allow discussion of on the forum that may not have existed before 1865. The jug choke is one of them.
Although you say the jug choke was never used prior to 1865, it is possible that it may have been. It doesn't involve new technology to remove material from inside the bore of a shotgun.
Yes I can see where you are coming from but the choke in any description was not used in original smoothbore shotgun and diffidently not original. You will get some members who say I have an original smoothbore that has choke well the answer to that it was done long after the gun was built , others say well my original is open at muzzle to paper thin the answer to that is ramrod ware .Have worked on smoothbore guns that was built prior to 1865 and they were pin -fire guns with some choke bored later the choke boring was patented by a Newcastle gun maker W,R,Pape
Feltwad
http://www.boxallandedmiston.co.uk/shotgun-anatomy/shotgun-chokes-explained
It is unclear who actually invented choke although many have claimed to and numerous patents have been granted. What we do know is that J.W. Long, in his book "American Wildfowling", credits a Jeremiah Smith of Southfield, Rhode Island, as the gunsmith who first discovered the concept, as far back as 1827. But many modern day Americans credit a gunsmith and wildfowler called Fred Kimble with using choke boring to win the Illinois State Championship on numerous occasions in 1868. But another American Sylvester Roper who was a friend of Kimble had actually applied for a patent in 1866. Which intriguingly W R Pape did exactly the same thing here in England six weeks later than Roper's American Patent.
It is unclear who actually invented choke although many have claimed to and numerous patents have been granted. What we do know is that J.W. Long, in his book "American Wildfowling", credits a Jeremiah Smith of Southfield, Rhode Island, as the gunsmith who first discovered the concept, as far back as 1827. But many modern day Americans credit a gunsmith and wildfowler called Fred Kimble with using choke boring to win the Illinois State Championship on numerous occasions in 1868. But another American Sylvester Roper who was a friend of Kimble had actually applied for a patent in 1866. Which intriguingly W R Pape did exactly the same thing here in England six weeks later than Roper's American Patent.
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In the 46 posts in this thread the word "Jug" was used in only 7 of them, including Zonie's explanation. Nearly all the discussion has been focused around improving patterns in traditional cylinder bored shotguns. If we are going to be as "nit-picky" about HC/PC as Feltwad feels we should then it's going to be hard to share any info on this site. I don't see any discussion of "jug" chokes on any "Modern" site. Thanks Zonie for using "common sense".
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/jug-choking.116888/post-1598260
Recessed choking definitely works but is specialist work.
I agree with Brits. Send it to a professional and get it done right.
Dave
Dave
I stay at about thirty yards max and mostly hunt closer. However I experimented with a shot cartridge. Heavy brown paper wrapped and glued about four layers thick around a half inch dowel. Tied at top and bottom and filled with shot, almost a cardboard roll. At fifty yards it was still all in a thirty inch circle.
shot a bunny on the run at maybe twenty yards. It looked likeit was hit with a seventy five cal ball and had bits of paper in the wound. Umph
Last time I made use of it. It struck rear left quarter diagonal and blew out right shoulder. A ‘bloody mess’ quit literally.
shot a bunny on the run at maybe twenty yards. It looked likeit was hit with a seventy five cal ball and had bits of paper in the wound. Umph
Last time I made use of it. It struck rear left quarter diagonal and blew out right shoulder. A ‘bloody mess’ quit literally.
megasupermagnum
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megasupermagnum
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I'm not so sure about any of that. People back then wanted to extend their range every bit as much as we do now. If they didn't, the rifle would never have existed. I'm also not so sure turkey hunting, or any hunting for that matter looked at all like it does today. Take for example the turkey call. I don't know what came first, but the iconic turkey box call was first patented in 1897. From what I can tell, calling of any animal is more of a modern technique. From my reading, it seems hunting in early 1800's, on back through the 1700's was more of an opportunity thing. Nowadays we might call it still hunting and spot and stalk, with emphasis on the still hunting. Dogs were also very popular, far more than they are now. That's only European Americans. If you look into how the native Americans did things, they were extremely efficient, often using groups of people driving animals to various traps.
I also have heard that ethics have changed. It used to be considered unsporting to shoot a turkey on the ground. Personally I always took the stance that I'm there to kill the animal. I shoot ducks on water all the time, and I'd shoot flying turkey too if I had to. I don't get caught up in the red tape.
It came from the "Shotguns" chapter in Mayer's book, and as far as I know "fusil" refers only to smoothbores.
megasupermagnum
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That would be interesting if it truly means a choke at all like we think of it today. Unfortunately language changes so much over time, it could have a completely different meaning. The thing is, I'm not aware of a single original fowler or shotgun with a choked barrel. In particular I've always been interested in the side by side shotguns, which back then were guns of the super rich. They were the same guys who were perfectly content to mallet a ball down a jaeger rifle. Surely those same people, who could afford anything they chose, would have chosen a choked barrel. Not all of them of course, but I'm not aware of a single original flintlock SXS with anything but cylinder bores. Once you get to a certain point late in the percussion era, it seems every SXS gun had choked barrels, sometimes very tight chokes.
I can't help but think that the only reason they were all cylinder bore, was simply because the technology was not there, or at least not understood. I'm far from an expert on this stuff, so if there ever was an original with a choked bore, I'd sure like to hear about it.
I can't help but think that the only reason they were all cylinder bore, was simply because the technology was not there, or at least not understood. I'm far from an expert on this stuff, so if there ever was an original with a choked bore, I'd sure like to hear about it.
The very early attempts of choking a barrel in the context we are discussing could of been in the form of a crude crimping of the end of a thin walled barrel, even a peined muzzle with a hammer!
A very dangerous practice .
Feltwad
Gun smiths both professional and shade tree of yore were every bit as smart, curious and willing to experiment as anyone today.
Robby
Robby
As long as the moderator is allowing this topic to run, I'll add a bit to what Britsmoothy has said about crimping and what Robby says about experimentation & different approaches. In 1871, the Cortland, NY gunmaker Ranse Moore did indeed patent a simple method for a "contracted muzzle for concentrating the charge as it leaves the gun". He used a simple swaging of the muzzle "by forcing the end of the barrel to a properly formed socket with sufficient power to give it the requisite shape". His claim is that this method is less expensive than the Roper-type auxiliary device being mounted on the end of the barrel and also suitable for double barrel guns
Just thinking here, one of the difficulties of a muzzle loading choked gun is getting a cut wad past the choral while at the same time sealing the fatter bore at the breech.
Crimping the end down would choke the gun. But now it’s a bear to fit the wad in. Howsomever loose fiber like tow makes a good wad and becomes tight at the breech when you compress it with your ramrod.
Not having tried it, I can’t say, but it would seem that would function fine with out loading problems.
My fiber wads are but a hunk of tow or paper with a little grease rolled in to a ball. Of late I’ve been using the 1x2 inch paper folded and run down.
Can’t say haven’t done, but that seems like it would give no problem to a jugged choked
Crimping the end down would choke the gun. But now it’s a bear to fit the wad in. Howsomever loose fiber like tow makes a good wad and becomes tight at the breech when you compress it with your ramrod.
Not having tried it, I can’t say, but it would seem that would function fine with out loading problems.
My fiber wads are but a hunk of tow or paper with a little grease rolled in to a ball. Of late I’ve been using the 1x2 inch paper folded and run down.
Can’t say haven’t done, but that seems like it would give no problem to a jugged choked
