Any American style rifle kits similar to an English Sporting Rifle?

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  1. Mar 17, 2019 at 4:03 PM #1

    Wentwest

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    I’m interested in building a shorter flintlock rifle in .50 or .54 than the Colonial Rifle kit by Jim Kiebler I built last Fall. One kit I’ve seen on-line, that I like several aspects of, is Jim Chambers’s English Gentlemen’s Sporting Rifle (Model RK-12).

    I like that the full length stock, and the overall length of 46 1/4” will make air travel with it far easier than my Colonial Rifle. I would use it to travel and hunt deer with.

    So, while Jim Chambers’s English Gentlemen’s Sporting Rifle may be the next kit I build, I was wondering if there are any similar length, mid 1700’s to early 1800 era style kits that are of American rifle designs, that also have full length stocks?
     
  2. Mar 18, 2019 at 2:31 AM #2

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    For early or at least mid third ‘trade rifle’ designs such as the Leman were made in 30 something inches and full or half stocks. Ohio/ Michigan styles were mostly half stocks but early on shorter full stocks was common on these elegant guns. Some American Muskets were according to Russel were sawn off by six inches and traded in to the west. The Hawkin brothers made full stock shorter balled precision guns. Although we think plains rifle with them they did make a lot of elegant brass and silver mounted full stock smaller caliber guns.
     
  3. Mar 18, 2019 at 12:17 PM #3

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    Hi,
    American rifles from the period you are interested in had longer barrels. The Edward Marshall rifle had a 37-38" barrel, which is one of the shortest of which we know from that time. Chambers as well as several other suppliers make "Isaac Haines" kits with 38" barrels. The barrel length is not correct for any original Haines gun but the kits use them regardless. Dave Price makes a great swivel breech kit usually with 32" barrels. It is flintlock but is contemporary and does not represent any historical school or style. Chambers English rifle is a fine shooting gun and you would be hard pressed to find better with respect to shooting qualities, however, it is based on a modern-made version of an English rifle by Bob Harn rather than any original gun. It is not a copy of the Turvey gun as claimed.

    dave
     
  4. Mar 18, 2019 at 1:05 PM #4

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    Hi,
    As I understand Wentwest, he is interested in kit guns or parts sets to make an American rifle with a short barrel from the mid 1700s to the early 1800s. I presume flintlocks because of the time period and he wants it full stocked. The options are not numerous.

    dave
     
  6. Mar 18, 2019 at 4:44 PM #6

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    Wentwest may want to take a look at the rifles illustrated with full scale plans in Hanson's "Trade Rifle Sketch Book".
     
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    Nothing made in the colonies in that length range. Or extremely rare.
     
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    Most of the American rifles would have barrels of 41.5" to 44" long when built with a full length stock. Later half stock percussion Tyron percussion rifles had barrels in the 31" range. Some percussion Henry's also half stocked were barreled to 35".
     
  9. Mar 18, 2019 at 10:18 PM #9

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    I can point out several early American guns in RCA I&II with barrels around about 32" or a bit less. But I will say, they are very rare. The Eddie Marshal gun has a 37"-38" barrel, which is on the short side for a 'normal" early KY rifle.
     
  10. Mar 18, 2019 at 10:29 PM #10

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    If I had your delima I build a Jaeger; love those things.
     

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