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silent sniper

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I would like to use shotgun wads in my 14 gauge double to help tighten the groups. but i want to make my own wads instead of buying regular shotgun wads because I want to stay primitive lol. I dont have a clue how to make them. So could you guys help me out on guiding me on how to make the shot wads. if someone would be so generous could they post a picture tutorial on how to make wads? thanks silent sniper
 
Iread in one of my books.....

take a block of wood, as thick as you want your wads, drill a bazzillion holes in it of the diameter that you want for your wads, place a backer board on the board with the holes.
Soak toilet paper and newspaper in water until it is like oatmeal, rub this into the holes, as much as you can get in them, and allow to dry.
pull off the backer board and pop them out.
was done in a way that you could take these wads and pull them apart into 2 if needed.

I will try and find that article and copy it possibly.
seem to recall that it was in Backwoodsman magazine about a year back.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, you really seem to mean "shot cups"....."to tighten his pattern".

In modern shotgunning we use the term "wads" to refer to that plastic thingy that holds the shot...but in the muzzleloading world, the term wad means "over powder wad".

Then you either pour in your shot, or seat a "shot cup" down on the OP wad, and then pour in the shot, and finally add a Over Shot Card to hold the shot in place.
 
Measure the exact bore diameter of your 14 ga. shotgun with calipers. Then make a mandrill( a round piece of wood dowel, or a piece of metal rod or tubing, if you can find something the right size) that will be at least .030" smaller then the bore diameter. This will be used to form the shotcups.

Now, form a cylinder using cardstock- like 3 x 5 index cards. Glue the two ends together. When the glue is dried, fold over one end of the tube and glue it down to close the cylinder to form the cup.( If you have ever made up coin rolls using the paper coin wrappers you can get at a bank, you have an idea how to make these folds.) You don't want corners sticking out!

I have been using 3M " Post-it" notes paper, because it already has a glue strip on one edge. This is not as HC as you indicate you want to go, however. I wrap the paper around the mandrill twice, and then seal with the glue strip. To seal the folded end, I dip the folds into hot wax, and then tamp the folds on wax paper until the wax cools. It seals the end of the cup well, and provides a bit of lube to the cups, which melts in the barrel as the load is being fired.

I load the gun with powder, OP Wad, then the shotcup, then an OS card to keep the shot in the cup. I am going to change my field practice and begin using ONLY OS Cards for all this, and use up my existing OP wads on the range. 3-4 OS cards can replace the OP wad, and 2 OS cards will hold the shot in the barrel.

Remove the cup from the mandrill, and make another. Test the cup to make sure it slides easily down your muzzle, but don't push it down until you have powder in the barrel. If its tight, reduce the size of your mandrill again, until the paper cup you make does slide down the muzzle of your gun.

By folding over the ends of the cylinder and glueing them on the end of your mandrill, you have that internal support for the cup to maintain its shape. You can even tamp the end of the mandrill over the folds, on a flat surface to flatten the folds better, and then hold the folds against something solid as the glue dries. Just put some wax paper between the glue and the surface. You might be better served if you dip the working end of the mandrill into hot wax, too. That way, if there is any glue that gets through the folds, you won't glue the cardstock to your mandrill.
Nominally, your 14 gauge should have a bore diameter of .693.

I suggest using a commercially available 5/8" dowel for the mandrill. That comes in at .625, compared to the .693 bore diameter, or 11/16", but That is less hassle to work with then trying to create a closer fitting mandrill. You can always increase the diameter of the 5/8" dowel by wrapping tape over it.

How deep do the cups have to be? That all depends on how much shot you intend to fire out of your gun. If you are shooting strictly lead shot, then loads up to 1 1/8 oz. are about as high as you should expect to go.

See Bob Spenser's Black Powder Notebook, and the V.M. Starr article for loads for the 14 gauge.
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/starr.html

If the cup is at least 2 inches long, it will fit any amount of shot you intend to pour in it, and give you extra paper to tear( or cut) off at the muzzle.

When you settle on a standard charge, you can trim the paper cups to size at home, to speed up loading at the range or field. If you can find a 14 gauge plastic shotcup, you could simply measure the height? or depth of the cup to determine how much length your cup will need.

When I first began to make these for my 12 gauge, I poured shot into that first test cup, just to see how long the tube would need to be. I already knew my favorite load for the gun, so establishing the length of the cup was not difficult. I then cut my paper to create that length of a cup.

I like to support the bottom of my cups by putting a thin fiber wad( 1/16") in the bottom of the cup.This provides a even, flat surface behind the shot to push the shot down the barrel, and out the muzzle. Releasing the shot at the muzzle tends to help decrease the size of patterns, from my experiments.

If you go with that 5/8" mandrill, buy some OP wads made for the .20 gauge guns, and use them inside the cups. You could also use a couple of OS cards, instead of the fiber wad, to perform the same function.

The idea is not to increase the weight of the cup, because that simply produces another projectile that will follow the shot down range, and even blow the pattern if it bumps the shot after the shot separates from the cup. You want the cup to be strong enough to stay together before loading shot into it in the barrel, but light enough to separate from the shot on leaving the barrel and fall away from the line of fire.

The real work will be deciding how many, and how deep you will cut slits in the cup, to create petals so that they will fold back when the cup hits the air and release the shot. My own testing indicates that the shorter the slits, the tighter the patterns. I just don't know how tight I can get the cup to make the pattern, as I ran out of daylight the day I was able to test my cups. I have since modified how I make the cups, to make them lighter. You do need the " air brake " effect that petals give to the cup to provide uniform separation of the cups from the shot. If you shoot the cups without slits, you are like to get a single hole in the paper at 25 yards, about the diameter of your barrel. ( Been there, done that! :redface: :shocked2: )


If you use the OS cards, poke an off-center hole in each of them with an awl, to let air through. That air separates the cards from each other, and makes the cards very unstable in the air, causing them to quickly fall down out of the line of shot when they leave the muzzle. If you use the OS cards instead of an OP wad, just align the cards so that none of the holes line up with each other. That way you get the seal you need to keep the gases behind the wads, and the wads separate quickly and fall away in the air.

A lot of us are experimenting with paper shot cups and trying to improve the patterns we get. If you have some success with your cups, please let us know what that is and how you are doing it. :thumbsup: :hatsoff:
 
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I made one of these out of a leather punch for punching cards with. I don't use wads just the cards, I choose not to poke holes in them too as if the ram is the correct diameter the wind will "fart" past them anyway :hatsoff:

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Britsmoothy.
 
I'm new to black powder shotguns and I was wondering if using cards only causes lead build up in the barrel? I thought about using modern plastic shotgun wads like winchester AA, but I have been reading posts that the plastic builds up in the barrel and is hard to remove. I was also wondering if the plastic wads are safe to use bacause there would be a gap between the powder and the shot because of the way the plastic wads are made. Do you lube the barrel between shots?
 
All I use is four cards and sometime in the future when September comes around my new paper shot cups for geese.I have never had a leading problem, maybe after the first shot the soot stops this. I have not had a leading problem in my BP shot shells either.
Sometimes on a dry air day and alot of shooting is going on I will put a gob of lube (olive oil/beeswax) between the last card to soften the soot.
The thing is there is no fumbling for different componants, just a pocket full of cards etc.

Britsmoothy.
 
It would be possible to scrape lead off on the barrel, and lead build up is possible. But, I found that if I run a cleaning patch with bore butter on it, down the barrel after seating the powder charge, it greases the surface of the bore, increases the velocity of the shot load a bit, and seems to prevent lead build up. It also prevents the bore from rusting during a hunt, when you may not fire the gun for several hours. The grease on the bore also softens any black Powder residue tht would otherwise cling to the barrel.

I like Bore Butter, because the bore seems to get smoother, and slicker with subsequent shots, as long as I clean the barrel down to the " white " before putting bore butter on it( Bore butter doesn't seem to work as well if there is some other kind of oil or grease on the bore's surface. And, between shots, I wipe out the residue, ( Dry the barrel with another cleaning patch), and then load the gun, following it with more bore butter.
 
I don't like the edge turning up because of the air pushing past the edge, Britsmoothy. That is why I prefer Jim Rackham's approach, and use an awl to poke a small off-center hole in the Over Shot( OS) cards. That allows the edges to remain intact, which contributes to better patterns. The last thing I want is a wad that has a weak or missing edge so that gas can cut past it, and cut my shot column, too. By using multiple OS cards to seal the powder, and orienting them at 12,3,6,& 9 o'clock, the holes allows air to separate the cards when they exit the muzzle, but the edges stay stiff and straight, and seal the bore properly.

When I push all 4 cards down together on top of the powder, the air goes through the powder and out the flash channel and vent or nipple. Its the 2 OS cards I use to hold the shot in that " diesel " without the holes, making it difficult to push them down onto the shot column. With the holes, the cards seat rather easily. I have to give Jim all the credit for figuring out this system, and sharing it with us here.

As to leading, I don't recall much leading even when I was using other components, and before I began lubing the bore with Bore Butter after seating the shot. Perhaps the cards and wads did push the lead out. After all, in a smoothbore in good condition, there are not a lot of places that lead can " Grab " onto! I do know that since I began using bore butter after seating the OS cards, I have not found any lead residue when using a bore brush to clean the barrel.

( HINT: The test is to use modern lead solvents [Hoppe's #9, or Shooter's Choice} on a cleaning patch and run it down the barrel on either a cleaning jag, or bore brush. The lead shows up easily on the patch, if its there. )
 
Sorry Paul, I click on your reply button by being lazy :redface:
I am not disputing punching cards as you and other folk do, I was just saying that I don't thats all :hatsoff:

I have used plastic wads and they were ok, in fact I got my best ball results using a particular type but they do foul pretty bad, BP seems to melt them! I stopped using them, it didn't seem rite what with all this card laying around n' all.

Britsmoothy.
 
I have made mine using a stirrup punch as shown above. I used three ring binder covers for the over powder wads, 1/2" celotex siding insulation for the cushion wads and manila folders for the overshot wads. It worked OK, but its a lot easier to buy them by the bag. If I recall,my 20 gauge worked well with wads cut with a 9/16" punch. I don't know if being exactly the "correct" size makes much difference. So if the wads are slightly bigger than you need they seem to work OK. Smaller is probably bad.

Many Klatch
 
Some of you fellows make a lot of work out of loading a shot gun. I like to keep things as simple as possible, which encourages consitency from shot to shot, which is critical for dependable shot patterns.
Here's what I recommend. Powder first then a 1/8 hard card followed by a lubed fiber cushion wad followed by shot and an over shot card. This combo nearly always works, with minor fiddling. If your pattern is light in the center (donut shaped) then try a lubed 3/8" wool felt wad instead of the fiber. I've never wen fond of those 1/8" Wonder lube felt wads that alot of you fellows use....too damned expensive for the amount of shoot gunning I do. Lube for your fiber or felt wads can be a simple as Crisco. Or Wonder lube.
I've been using Circle Fly's pre lubed wads recently with great success. Even after 50 to 60 shots the bore is still incredibly clean ( that's with NO wiping between shots) and takes less than 5 minutes for cleanup. These results are with nasty dirty Elephant 2ff powder too. Needless to say I'm very pleased . Their lube seems to be some sort of wax and vegetable oil mix, I think....don't know for sure. My old lubed Crisco fiber wads work just about as well, but you have to be carefull about not getting too much lube in them.
The key to lubing fiber wads is not to let them suck up too much lube. Melt your lube and dunk the wads in for a second, then pull them back out to dry. This way the wad will carry the lube on the outside where it's needed and the wad will not become a heavy projectile by soaking up too much lube.
I'm going to try some parrafin and Crisco mixed 50/50 in the near future and see how that works for a wad lube. Heat up the mix and dunk in some wads in some sort of open weave metal basket for a second or two then pull them back out to dry. My hopes are for a light weight fiber wad with a soft waxy substance on the outside.
 
I noted a few days ago that Roundball says that he lubricates the outside of his plastic wads- or was that his paper cups. You might try that if you go back to using plastic cups. I found that greasing the bore after putting the two OS cards on top of the shot prevents not only lead build up, but eliminated melted plastic streaks in the barrel. I was not expecting that, BTW. That was merely an " extra " benefit that happened when I wasn't lookin'!
 
r. Brooks. I have loaded my 12 gauge exactly as you have described for many years, also. However, I don't consider dunking those cushion wads in a bottle of whatever at the range a speed aid to loading, and I certainly don't want to carry a jar out in the field to dunk the cushion wads in when reloading my shotgun on a hunt. ( I have done the bit at the range, and it was a mess. I had trouble being consistent in the amount of liquid lube got on each cushion wad.)

You may think this loading system is simple, but I think carying one kind of wad( OS CARDS) into the field makes a lot more sense, is a lot more simple, and makes reloading a shotgun in the field a snap. I carry a brass can with cleaning patches in it, and another container with Bore Butter. A swipe of the bore butter on a cleaning patch, and I am ready to grease the bore after loading, and then use the same patch to clean up the area around the vent hole, or around my nipples, if I am using my percussion shotgun. The dirty patch goes into a bag in my pocket to carry out the trash.

Carrying only one kind of wad for the gun frees up two more pockets, and keeps me from fishing around in each to remember which wad I need, and where I put it.

Everyone has their own idea about " simple". :surrender: Before Jim Rackham described his method, I thought I had simplified loading as well as it could be done, too. I was wrong. :shocked2: :thumbsup:
 
Any of you guys tried splitting a lubed fiber wad in half adn using half for over powder and half for over shot with nothing else?
 
Capt. Jas. said:
Any of you guys tried splitting a lubed fiber wad in half adn using half for over powder and half for over shot with nothing else?
I would be concerned about the lube contaminating the powder in a hunting situation. Also I don't feel there is enough there to seal the bore properly. I have always found a hard card necessary for a good seal in combination with a fiber wad to carry some lube.
 
r. Brooks. I have loaded my 12 gauge exactly as you have described for many years, also. However, I don't consider dunking those cushion wads in a bottle of whatever at the range a speed aid to loading, and I certainly don't want to carry a jar out in the field to dunk the cushion wads in when reloading my shotgun on a hunt. ( I have done the bit at the range, and it was a mess. I had trouble being consistent in the amount of liquid lube got on each cushion wad.)
Paul, you didn't read my post......
The lubed wads I'm referring to are "pre lubed" in other words you lube them before you take them into the field.
Circle Fly sells pre lubed wads or you can make them your self by melting solid Crisco on the stove and briefly dunking them in.....BEFORE YOU GO INTO THE FIELD. :slap:
I roll the lubed wads up in a piece of news paper, preferably the sunday comics, like a roll of coins and carry them in a pocket with some OP and OS cards. Powder and shot flasks are carried in vest pockets also.
 
Mr. Brooks. You are still carrying three different wads into the field with you. Carying only one seems to me to be a lot more simple. I do like your idea of wrapping the lubed wads in newspaper. It would not work with my moosemilk lube, but a different lube might do the trick. Can I ask again, what kind of lube are you putting on those cushion wads? I have the Circle Fly cushion wads made from Celotex, the building insulation material. The wads are about 1/2" thick. They can soak up a lot of liquid if you don't be very careful. A dab of bore butter, or even crisco might be a better way to go, NO?
 
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