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Had a gentleman stop by my house today with a few pounds of old powder that was cleaned out of his grandfathers garage.Mostly Goex but there was this one can labeled Hodgdon 3F made in Scotland.Does anyone know who made this powder? I am in good shape on powder so took the cans of Goex and gave them to the Other two black powder shooters that I know in the area. Kept this one since it was a Can that I have never seen
 

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Hodgdon owns Goex. It looks like an old Goex can. Goex used to be Gearhart-Owen, and it was later shortened to Goex. I found an old picture from from this forum. Feb. 24, 2021. It shows a Curtis and Harvey can with that lid and crooked label.
 
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I think Curtis and Harvey was the name I was looking for as being produced in Scotland. Going to try and get out and shoot a few rounds with it tomorrow and see how it does. This can was produced well before Hodgdon bought Goex. They were simply importing powder and rebranding it with their name I assume.
 
Thanks for the info Brit we will see how it shoots. I love coming across old dry shootable powder and testing it to see how well it shoots. I have a good supply of old Goex that I shoot in my 32 Seneca one of the cans I have not opened yet was priced at $2.50 and some I can read the dates on oldest is from 1976 and shoots really well.
 
Message 1 - Ardeer and bombing
Posted on: 30 July 2003 by Researcher 234974
My aunt worked at Ardeer during the war and until she retired in the 1970s. She worked in the black powder department and had to scrub her nails every night to try and clean them. As children when we were visiting we used to run to meet her off the train at Springside. It was quite an honour having an aunt who worked in such dangerous conditions. We obviously did not appreciate just how dangerous.

My husband was one of the survivors of the Kilmarnock bombing (Surviving May 1941).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/73/a1119773.shtml
 
Hodgden bought alot of powder from a huge plant in South Scotland.
I forget the history. I think it was called Nobel powder.
H4350 was made there too.
I’ve been told the old Hodgdon powder I have was made by Curtis and Harvey at the Imperial Chemical Industries (I.C.I) Nobel Works plant in Ardeer. Also told they closed up shop in 1976.
 
I’ve purchased Swiss a couple times I always look at the expiration date. I got 5 bottles of 3f that had a manufacturer date of 2016 that I purchased in 2019. I have two bottles left. So like the old saying keep your powder dry BP must have a long if not indefinite shelf life?
 
3F seems to be the all round powder. I originally purchased it for my 1851 Colt revolver. I still used it into my Flintlock Rifles but have since graduated to 2 mainly 50 caliber and above. I I have 1F and 1.5 . I reloaded 45 Colt for my Ubertie 1873 lever rifle with both 3F and grits as a filler and then 2F with a fiber wad or two. I read some where that 2 is what they used back in the day in cartridges. Fun stuff. I was wondering what people thought of using a little filler in a flintlock like a Brown Bess though I think probably not a good idea because of the difference in ignition primers vs touch holes. Would mixing say 20 grains of grits with 60 grains of 3F work. Does anyone blend there bp for low power charges? I mostly plink alot and with the brown Bess go through 1F and 1.5 like crazy in paper cartridges. I used to use 120 grains I sometimes prime from cartridges. I have 5 bottles of 4 F which is useless sorry I bought so much of it. You can get about 70 paper cartridges at 70 grains but the cartridges are chinsy in size id like to mix it with 30 or 40 in those. Again mixed not bp followed by grits like in a cap and ball revolver.
 
3F seems to be the all round powder. I originally purchased it for my 1851 Colt revolver. I still used it into my Flintlock Rifles but have since graduated to 2 mainly 50 caliber and above. I I have 1F and 1.5 . I reloaded 45 Colt for my Ubertie 1873 lever rifle with both 3F and grits as a filler and then 2F with a fiber wad or two. I read some where that 2 is what they used back in the day in cartridges. Fun stuff. I was wondering what people thought of using a little filler in a flintlock like a Brown Bess though I think probably not a good idea because of the difference in ignition primers vs touch holes. Would mixing say 20 grains of grits with 60 grains of 3F work. Does anyone blend there bp for low power charges? I mostly plink alot and with the brown Bess go through 1F and 1.5 like crazy in paper cartridges. I used to use 120 grains I sometimes prime from cartridges. I have 5 bottles of 4 F which is useless sorry I bought so much of it. You can get about 70 paper cartridges at 70 grains but the cartridges are chinsy in size id like to mix it with 30 or 40 in those. Again mixed not bp followed by grits like in a cap and ball revolver.
Just to be clear I don’t plan on using 4f for anything other than the pan for priming
 
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