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I also just bought one of these Zoli made Zouave musketoons, mine has the two bands as well. finally found a source for RWS musket caps and now crazy California has to go and ban all hunting with lead projectiles! AHHHHH, it never ends around here.
 
WHAT markings are on your "carbine", "short rifle", "musketoon" or whatever it SHOULD technically be called.
(I got several comments that suggested that I was stupid, as I called it "a Zouave" and a "carbine". - I'm finished with that "discussion".)

FYI, I worked security for The '84 Games in LA & while there I learned why CA is called: "The People's Socialist Republik of Kalifornikashun".
(In the almost 3 decades since then, observing from AFAR, it seems that things there have gotten much WORSE.)

My advice to FREEDOM-LOVING Americans: GET OUT NOW & come to TX to stay.

yours, satx
 
Brian1976 said:
I also just bought one of these Zoli made Zouave musketoons, mine has the two bands as well. finally found a source for RWS musket caps and now crazy California has to go and ban all hunting with lead projectiles! AHHHHH, it never ends around here.

Are the bands and front spring like mine or like the carbine version?
 
I'm gonna have to dig it out to look at the specific markings and the bands. I haven't even fired it yet. Just scored some musket caps about 3 weeks ago then AB 711 passed.
 
Though I suspect that your photo of "The Arizona State Guard" is likely ACCURATE, at least in the late 19th Century, as there is a group photo of the First US Volunteer Cavalry (The Rough Riders) in The Menger Hotel in downtown San Antonio. - The plaque beneath the photo states that the photo is of the NM & AZ volunteers & that it was made "a few weeks after their arrival in San Antonio".
(SOME of The Rough Riders received USVC uniforms about 3 weeks before they left Ft. Sam Houston for Cuba.)
Prior to that "uniform issue", whatever clothing, shoes/boots and hats/caps that one might have had on Muster Day was "acceptable field dress".- Records indicate that MANY Rough Riders arrived in Daquiri, Cuba armed with "privately owned" firearms, knives/swords and other "acquired" equipment.

Records at The Ft. Sam Houston Museum indicate that ALL the machineguns were "privately owned" & some of those MG were "formally presented to" The Rough Riders by Tiffany's Jewelers of NYC.
(In late 1899, those three Colt's "Tater Diggers" were returned to the Tiffany family & one of those MG are now "on long-term loan" to the NRA Museum.)

We San Antonians were/are PROUD of being the place where The Rough Riders "mustered into service", that they trained all over Atascosa, Bandera, Bexar, Comal, Guadalupe, Hays, Medina & Wilson Counties and departed to the embarkation point (in FL) from Ft Sam Houston.
(Several places in SA still have/display photos, markers, etc, which refer to "Our Rough Rider Heroes". Furthermore, several members of "King Antonio's Royal Staff" still wear "the rather gaudy" 1stUSVC dress uniforms at our FIESTA SAN ANTONIO.)

yours, satx
 
This has been a very educational thread for me. I once had been told that the Civil War Zouave unit came out of New York State and were issued 1863 Remington contract rifle's. The name Zouave rifle came from this unit way back then. I have had this bit of un-truthful knowledge in my head for many years. I have to thank you fellow's for your enlightenment and the motivation to finally seek out the truth. It is kind of funny, yet very sad to me, just how much other "mis-information" is taking up valuable space in my gray matter! :doh: http://shaung.tripod.com/cwuni.html
 
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That page provides a pretty extensive list for further research, but it would be
even more interesting if any of the links on it worked. :idunno:
 
Yeah, that story has been around a long time but most Zouave units, north & south, actually carried the M.1841 rifle with it's large patchbox, possibly for appearance sake. Some others used the M.1855 rifle which was similar in appearance. this can't be taken to be typical since many Zouave units served through the war and their weaponry is not all known. For example, the 69th New York carried the M.1842 musket but their Zouave company, Company K, carried the Maynard conversion versions of the M.1816 done by Remington.
 

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