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George said:There is a basic misunderstanding here, I think. If you change the powder charge without changing the sights, the gun is no longer sighted in at 100 yards. Then, if you want to hit that same 100 yard target at the same spot, you will of course have to aim higher or lower.Gene L said:Less powder and a slower ball means you have to aim higher to lob the ball into the zero.
Forget about hitting the same point on the target. Change the powder charge but still use the same sight picture to shoot at the target. If you increased the charge the ball will hit high. If you lowered the charge, the ball will hit low.
Spence
What we have been saying is relevant. Once again, if nothing but the powder charge is changed (increased in this case), the ball will impact higher on the target. Or in your words, the only parameter that is different is the powder charge. We ARE NOT re-zeroing...if a sight picture/zero setting results in a low hit at a particular charge, increasing the powder charge (and NOTHING ELSE) will elevate the point of impact.Gene L said:George said:There is a basic misunderstanding here, I think. If you change the powder charge without changing the sights, the gun is no longer sighted in at 100 yards. Then, if you want to hit that same 100 yard target at the same spot, you will of course have to aim higher or lower.Gene L said:Less powder and a slower ball means you have to aim higher to lob the ball into the zero.
Forget about hitting the same point on the target. Change the powder charge but still use the same sight picture to shoot at the target. If you increased the charge the ball will hit high. If you lowered the charge, the ball will hit low.
Spence
While what you said is basically right, it's not relevant. I said specifically with a 100 yard zero, regardless of the charge. The zero is the constant, not the powder charge. You can hit a 100 yard target with 40 grains of powder in a 50 caliber if you zero it in. You're changing the parameters to suit your argument. I thought I emphasized that constant (saying it twice) but I may not.
Black Hand said:What we have been saying is relevant. Once again, if nothing but the powder charge is changed (increased in this case), the ball will impact higher on the target. Or in your words, the only parameter that is different is the powder charge. We ARE NOT re-zeroing...if a sight picture/zero setting results in a low hit at a particular charge, increasing the powder charge (and NOTHING ELSE) will elevate the point of impact.Gene L said:George said:There is a basic misunderstanding here, I think. If you change the powder charge without changing the sights, the gun is no longer sighted in at 100 yards. Then, if you want to hit that same 100 yard target at the same spot, you will of course have to aim higher or lower.Gene L said:Less powder and a slower ball means you have to aim higher to lob the ball into the zero.
Forget about hitting the same point on the target. Change the powder charge but still use the same sight picture to shoot at the target. If you increased the charge the ball will hit high. If you lowered the charge, the ball will hit low.
Spence
While what you said is basically right, it's not relevant. I said specifically with a 100 yard zero, regardless of the charge. The zero is the constant, not the powder charge. You can hit a 100 yard target with 40 grains of powder in a 50 caliber if you zero it in. You're changing the parameters to suit your argument. I thought I emphasized that constant (saying it twice) but I may not.
If you would take your own advice, turn off the computer and go do some shooting, these threads wouldn't bother you so.azmntman said:
George said:I think I can never get my point across, so I give up.
Shoot and be happy.
Spence
Please go back and read the posts again as I have said the same thing several ways and have not changed anything (but the way I've said the same thing). Again, NOTHING IS CHANGED BUT THE POWDER CHARGE - Distance from target, sight picture, elevation, phase of the moon, how you hold your tongue, etc. have NOT CHANGED. In this case, increasing your charge increases POI, while decreasing your charge will lower POI.Gene L said:Black Hand said:What we have been saying is relevant. Once again, if nothing but the powder charge is changed (increased in this case), the ball will impact higher on the target. Or in your words, the only parameter that is different is the powder charge. We ARE NOT re-zeroing...if a sight picture/zero setting results in a low hit at a particular charge, increasing the powder charge (and NOTHING ELSE) will elevate the point of impact.Gene L said:George said:There is a basic misunderstanding here, I think. If you change the powder charge without changing the sights, the gun is no longer sighted in at 100 yards. Then, if you want to hit that same 100 yard target at the same spot, you will of course have to aim higher or lower.Gene L said:Less powder and a slower ball means you have to aim higher to lob the ball into the zero.
Forget about hitting the same point on the target. Change the powder charge but still use the same sight picture to shoot at the target. If you increased the charge the ball will hit high. If you lowered the charge, the ball will hit low.
Spence
While what you said is basically right, it's not relevant. I said specifically with a 100 yard zero, regardless of the charge. The zero is the constant, not the powder charge. You can hit a 100 yard target with 40 grains of powder in a 50 caliber if you zero it in. You're changing the parameters to suit your argument. I thought I emphasized that constant (saying it twice) but I may not.
Yes, but you're abandoning your argument to make some sort of obvious point that doesn't relate to anything I can see that's been covered so far. ZERO is 100 yards. Same sight picture, same etc. It's the constant here, not the powder charge or anything else. It's where the ball impacts at closer range (where it naturally prints higher) that is my point, not where it impacts at 100, since that is the given zero.
I honestly think you're in denial of your past posts.
I have also heard of lowering the powder charge to raise impact and from too many credible sources to discount it
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