Springfield..what?

[wdtiffin]

My girlfriend was out antique shopping today and came across this rifle stamped Springfield and a date looks like 1864. The hammer and nipple area are not what I'm used to seeing. Is it straight up from the factory correct or some kind of conversion?
Thanks

 

[French Colonial]

Seriously????

 

[wdtiffin]

Seriously????

So, you don't know either.

 

[French Colonial]

So, you don't know either.

You must be very new to firearms in general.

Have you ever heard of a Springfield trapdoor???

 

[wdtiffin]

You must be very new to firearms in general.

Have you ever heard of a Springfield trapdoor???

So it was an 1864 model converted to a trapdoor?

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

So it was an 1864 model converted to a trapdoor?

Correct. And has been repaired with replacement parts since then. Or at least reblued? The trap door is marked 1866. This might be an Allin conversion.

 

[Mrdix]

Looks to be an early Allen conversion , nice gun !

 

[deerstalkert]

called the Allin conversion. i would!

 

[wdtiffin]

Any thoughts on it's worth? What would be a good price for it. I have another photo with my girlfriend holding it, it appears to be a 3 band.

 

[wdtiffin]

Looks like maybe 2nd series Allin conversion, I found a date in one of the photos.

 

[smoothshooter]

My girlfriend was out antique shopping today and came across this rifle stamped Springfield and a date looks like 1864. The hammer and nipple area are not what I'm used to seeing. Is it straight up from the factory correct or some kind of conversion?
Thanks

An early Allin Conversion.
Was made by converting Civil War muskets to breechloaders at low cost.
Musket barrels were shortened at the breech and threaded to take the newly-developed trapdoor action.
The very first ones made were chambered for a .58 rimfire cartridge, but only a small number were ever made.
Soon after, the issued muzzleloading .58 caliber rifled barrels were removed from muskets, reamed out to smoothbore, and relatively thin .50 caliber rifled liners press-fitted and soldered in to convert the guns to .50-70 centerfire.
The finished product became an item of general issue, and was highly regarded as an effective service and hunting rifle for many years.
In 1873, the Army went to the same or similar guns in the smaller .45-70 caliber using all-new barrels, for reasons I won’t get into here, because it is another long story.

 

[ColonialRifleSmith]

I'd like to know what y'all paid for it. Semper Fi.

 

[wdtiffin]

I'd like to know what y'all paid for it. Semper Fi.

I haven't bought it and that's one of the things I'm trying to find out. What's a fair price?

 

[hawkeye2]

$1100 to $1500 depending on condition and how lucky you are.

 

[ColonialRifleSmith]

I haven't bought it and that's one of the things I'm trying to find out. What's a fair price?

Look at the bolt face. If it's a rim fire, you'll never find ammo or pay dearly for it. 600 to 800$. Wall Hanger. If it's center fire, 50/70 ammo will cost you 150 to 200$ a box if you can find it. 700 to 900$. If it's 45/70, you can shoot off the shelf cowboy ammo for about 50$ a box or load your own as I do for the cost of primers and WallyWorld Pyrodex for virtually nothing. Perhaps 1k if the bore's in good condition. On GunBroker and other sites, they go for 1000 to 1500$ depending on condition. Semper Fi.

 

[Gun Tramp]

Were there any cartridges for it?

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

If you are dead set on it, you can get replacement cartridges from this place. They use a blank to ignite the charge.

.58 Allin is the second to last on the page.

https://www.qual-cart.com/rim-fire.htm
Website looks archaic, but the phone number is still registered to quality cartdrige.

 

[wdtiffin]

Thanks everyone for the reply. Apparently the owner of the store just got it in and hadn't priced it yet. I was thinking between 1000 and 1500 for a 2nd series conversion, looks like I'm in the ball park.

 

[Clark Badgett]

It’s an M1866 2nd Allin trapdoor.

 

[wdtiffin]

It’s an M1866 2nd Allin trapdoor.

Thank you Clark.