Renegade - Very hard trigger pull

[ryoung14]

Very clean Renegade from an Internet auction has a very hard trigger pull with zero trigger travel after hammer fall.

Took things apart and found a geometry problem. Contact face of trigger bar is contacting the sear right at the end of the trigger travel. The trigger return spring on the trigger plate is bottoming before sear release. Heavy pressure flexes the tip of the trigger return spring just enough to get release.

Trigger bar also contacts the sear at such an angle that it appears to be pushing forward on the sear as well as lifting up.

My proposed fix is to build up the face of the trigger bar with a piece of 1/16" or 5/64" drill rod held in place with epoxy (or JB weld). This will let it contact the sear earlier. If this works, I plan to solder the drill rod to the face of the trigger bar.

Is this clear (not sure my terms are right)? Does this fix sound reasonable? Is there an easier way?

BTW, the set trigger works fine.
Thanks.

 

[necchi]

Sounds reasonable.
I'm just wondering why the Renegade you have is different from the others that work right?? :hmm:

Is there something that's keeping the trigger plate down too far?

Trouble is all of those things are used, and many have gone through several hands,
It's hard saying what someone else has or might have done to it,,

 

[Rifleman1776]

Pics would help.
But, you are doing well to examine the issue and consider fixes for yourself. That is a big part of this game. :thumbsup:

 

[Bill Hall]

You're right, the geometry is all wrong. Tripping the sear at the end of the trigger travel means that the trigger blade is moving in a forward direction, and the sear bar wants to go in an "up" direction. Makes the parts fight each other.

But like Necchi asked, what the heck made the trigger (or sear) get in that condition? If someone filed off the top of the trigger blade, then the fix you described is the way to go. If the trigger plate is too low, then find out what's holding it down (or out) and go that direction. If the sear bar is bent, you should fix that first.

Good luck. Bill

 

[planefixer da50]

at some time the lock was installed with out moving the trigger forward, then drawen in to bend the trigger bar. smoken32

 

[MSW]

need photos, but i think i see what's wrong ... as an aside, you might want to take a look here:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/915/1/TR-TC-HST-USED

a quick fix, but kind of spendy ...

also a replacment trigger (this looks like an R.E. Davis) also kind of expensive ...
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/917/1/TR-DST-TC

i looke don the RE Davis website and found this:
http://www.redaviscompany.com/1007.html


i assume (i know: assumption is the mother of all ZX#@-ups) that you've checked that the trigger isn' rubbing on the mortise anywhere.

good luck with your project!

once done, make good smoke!

 

[ryoung14]

Interesting links, MSW. That Davis trigger might be a solution. Thanks.

Haven't had a chance to try my proposed fix yet. Busy with a firewood project.

I have a few other TC's here. Might be wise to try another lock or trigger in the Renegade. Could point to the problem. Necchi's point is valid: What's different??

I don't think the trigger bar could be bent, though I suppose it's possible that the sear arm the trigger bar contacts could be. All parts look like new. No evidence that anything's been tampered with.

Nor is there indication that the trigger's getting hung up on the mortise.

 

[selvinman]

Davis trigger you won't be disappointed