I hunt in thick scrubby woods and often take shots under 30 yards plus I'm getting old and don't want to carry a long, heavy rifle. Here is another one just finishing up with a .50 caliber 15" swamped barrel.
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64Springer
75 Cal.
Absolutely no such thing as Short Barrel Rifle in the black powder world.
SBR is for modern/cartridge/breech loading guns. 16" minimum.
A black powder rifle with a one inch long barrel is 100% legal.
Let's not do the Lefts/Democrats Gun Grabbing work for them.
SBR is for modern/cartridge/breech loading guns. 16" minimum.
A black powder rifle with a one inch long barrel is 100% legal.
Let's not do the Lefts/Democrats Gun Grabbing work for them.
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Slinger go for it. I had an extra .50 cal Encore barrel that I cut down to 16" and put a pistol grip on the frame and installed a pistol scope. That thing shoots great and it wasn't hard to do with simple hand tools..
With a round barrel you just take a tubing cutter and scribe the barrel where you want it cut then using a hacksaw blade keep going around the line to get a nice straight cut. With an octagonal barrel you'll likely have to follow a taped line. Finish the face with a file to get off any cut marks then use 600 grit emery paper to polish it. For the crown get a round stone you can put in your drill and cut the crown. Using a round stone you don't have to worry about keeping it straight. Grind it to about 1/16" depth. You can also us an appropriate size cap nut and valve grinding compound to form the crown.
With a round barrel you just take a tubing cutter and scribe the barrel where you want it cut then using a hacksaw blade keep going around the line to get a nice straight cut. With an octagonal barrel you'll likely have to follow a taped line. Finish the face with a file to get off any cut marks then use 600 grit emery paper to polish it. For the crown get a round stone you can put in your drill and cut the crown. Using a round stone you don't have to worry about keeping it straight. Grind it to about 1/16" depth. You can also us an appropriate size cap nut and valve grinding compound to form the crown.
Atf don't care about barrel length or stock configuration on muzzleloaders....
Mike in FL
50 Cal.
That makes sense.
Supposedly back in the day. Native American and would cut off barrels on guns so the women could hide them under coats. It was said that this was done and used at the Massacre at Ft. Michilamacinau in Michigan.
The other reason is the guy who I am building it for is paying me good money for it.... So why not...?
Everything in our sport doesn't have to be H.C. and their fun to shoot...
The other reason is the guy who I am building it for is paying me good money for it.... So why not...?
Everything in our sport doesn't have to be H.C. and their fun to shoot...
Also it is not an s.b.r. the ATF doesn't classify black powder guns that way....So far....
You can run afoul of state gun laws depending on where you live, but the feds don't care. Yet.
Well now that I've seen this thread I just may take the pistol scope off that cut down Encore .50 cal barrel and put on a rifle scope and a butt stock. That would be a handy little muzzleloader with that short Encore frame and a 16" bbl.
64Springer
75 Cal.
I agree.
Everyone should try to understand their state and loco, I mean, local laws.
I have a Spanish made percussion blunderbuss with a 13” barrel. It’s close to 26 gauge with a .56” bore. LOP is around 12-1/2”. It is very PC and HC for the mid 1970s to the early 1980s I would guess. I take it to the range quite often and bring it out if any kids are showing interest in my muzzleloaders. With their parents permission I let them take a few shots. Load is 40 - 50 grains of blackpowder I believe (use a Lee dipper and forget which one), and an equal volume of 7-1/2 shot. It will consistently bust clay pigeons at 20 yards. The kids think they’re Captain Jack as they blast away while the parents take photographs. The takeaway is that a short barrel smoothbore will perform. And with absolutely no choke.
I don't known where you live, but I'd make sure it's not illegal there. That set up in my state is illegal if it's even a smidge under 16". If it's 15 and 99/100 of an inch, I keep a pistol grip on it and it has to be registered on my handgun permit.
Pretty sure if you don’t have powder and ball for it doesn’t have to be on your permit, at least that was the rule years ago when I left NYS, though rules may have changed.
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Built this one from TC New Englander. Hits the gong at 50 yards without sights. Ran out of weather before putting sights on,
Whatever you do, we must have pictures…please?!
Not sure, local gun shop seems to think that encore (unmentionable inline) is different because of 209 ignition.
Hard to decipher NY statutes. Pretty sad when someone with a bachelor's degree can't read the law and be sure what it means. But, I'm too old to go to prison, and not friendly enough to warm up to bubba in the next cell for protectio, just cuz I made a mistake.
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How do you know that it is an "original blanket gun" ?
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"Supposedly" ? Is this not the same as believing that what is in movies is the TRUTH ?
And…. here comes another discussion about “canoe guns” and “blanket guns.” Did they even exist? Are the terms historically accurate? When were they first documented? Where your proof?
Personally, that chit don’t matter to me. I’ve seen this argued ad nauseum. With both sides abrasively and angrily convinced there right. I vote we skip that debate in this thread, and just enjoy cool pics of guns that exist now, call them whatever you want.
Personally, that chit don’t matter to me. I’ve seen this argued ad nauseum. With both sides abrasively and angrily convinced there right. I vote we skip that debate in this thread, and just enjoy cool pics of guns that exist now, call them whatever you want.
I would think sbr in the context of muzzleloaders is ok. Just my 2 cents.
