Which Cap And Ball Platform, Is the Most Imherently Accurate?

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    The title of the thread asks it outright. Seeing as I've been bitten by the BP bug; I've been contemplating what my next cap and ball pistol should be. While I am enamored by the power of the Walker; I've been impressed with my 1851 Navy, in .44...
    So I was wondering, which platform you more experienced folks consider to be the most accurate?
     
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    I have two Uberti Colt models and one Uberti Remington. The Colts are good, but the Remington is outstanding. With 200 grain Lee conicals it out performs many cartridge guns. Often there will be 3-4 shots in one hole at 25 yards. In my humble opinion, cap and ball revolver accuracy has much to do with rammer force. Consistent seating depth and powder compression yields consistent groups. The Remington's dovetailed front sight also makes windage adjustment possible, so its easy to center on the bull.
     
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    My preference is for the Remington style. In several years of shooting in Virginia, I noticed most better shooters were using Rogers and Spencer reproductions.
     
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    The most inherently accurate pistol is the Rogers and Spencer replica. There are some target configured Remington revolvers by Pieta with gain twist barrels that perform well.
     
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    Remington for serious target shooting I feel are better. I am a fun shooter with my revolvers and just love the looks of the colts cap & ball. Nothing is more fun than playing Josey Wales with my 36's
     
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    Are the Rodgers, and Spencer’s Repros still in production?
     
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    The Rodgers and Spencer has not been in production for a couple of years. Kind of surprised no one has re-introduced it. Great design.
     
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    Its been a lot more than a couple of years since the Rodgers and Spencer design has been out of production. It was a full steel frame revolver with better handling architecture than the Remington design. It was introduced into the Uncivil War far too late to be issued in any number, so for most reenactor use it was not a popular gun. Most of the original lot went to Bannerman's and were sold as surplus.
     
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    Since the Ruger Old Army has not been mentioned as a candidate yet, I'll nominate it. ;)
     
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    The Ruger Old Army is very good of course. It too is out of production and repair parts are few and far between. Since the OP phrased his first message on the Walker and the Colt open top revolvers, I made my answer based on more or less historic revolvers. I will admit the target variants of the Remington's with adjustable sights and gain twist barrels are a stretch.

    In any event the most inherently accurate revolvers are the full steel frame cap and ball revolvers.
     
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    I'll put the Rogers and Spencer and Remington on top. My R&P might be 50+ years old but it still sweet. To top it off I've never had to change any parts.
     
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    I've owned a Remington 1858 and a Rogers & Spencer and both were very accurate. But the crown goes to the Rogers & Spencer which gives up nothing to modern revolvers.
     
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    Reckon there's no point in bringing up loading what your piece prefers and how well the particular piece has been manufactured.
    By inherently accurate are we talking when shot in a vise?
    If not, and we're talking being shot in human hands, then it depends upon the hands.
     
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    Yes, the ROA is out of production but I was surprised that there was a limited run of them recently.
    Someone posted a 5.5" blued that was made in Oct. 2017.
    He called Ruger and was told that some ROA's were made between 2015 and 2017.
    I think that they were made in more than one configuration and may have been a special run [he said not TALO].
    Perhaps they were offered by Davidson's.
     
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    What is different about the Rogers and Spencer, mechanically, that makes them shoot better?
     
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    Many folks often do use them for target purposes and one reason may be their relatively small chamber capacity which can comfortably hold only ~30 grains of powder with a round ball.
    That means that they don't get overloaded with powder by much and perhaps the ball position in the chamber vis-a-vis the forcing cone also helps accuracy.
    Ergonomically they have a relatively comfortable grip shape which may also promote more accurate shooting for some.
     
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    The Rogers & Spencer doesn't have any mechanical secrets or advantages over other revolvers, indeed they have a couple of disadvantages (I won't go into them here) over the Remington revolvers. The biggest reason that they shoot so well is that Euroarms took the time to get all the dimensions and tolerances right. Out of the box the timing, lockup and alignment of the revolvers were far superior to any of the other repros. The rifling and twist also may have been better suited to a revolver though I can't say as mine has been rebarreled. Most C&B revolvers were produced with a twist that was simply too slow but that has been addressed by some manufacturers a number of years back.

    I bought a slightly used R&S from a friend and was quite supprised at how well I did with it in both individual and team matches. I shot it for almost two years and decided to turn it over to the late Tom Ball for one of his legendary accuracy jobs which included rebarreling and cost a little over twice the purchase price of a new R&S. Tom had Bobby Hoyt make the barrel blanks for him with a 1 in 20" twist and used a .457" ball.
     
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    Seems so. A VERY small number, some say around 150 -170?, were sold out instantly for north of $1100 a pop. Seems odd that they [Ruger] could even think of doing that, since I bought the very last four rear-frame screws from Ruger about ten years ago, and, as noted, anything that isn't the same as that used in the Ruger Blackhawk/Super Blackhawk is unavailable from Ruger.
     
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    The R&S revolver I had was very carefully fitted and had a bank vault lockup. It handled a bit awkwardly in my hands, but it didn't seem to affect accuracy. The Rem. 1858 felt better in the hand and was very well made. I can't swear to it but I believe the edge in accuracy was on the side of the R&S.
     
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