Big Iron
36 Cal.
A friend just bought some black powder made in Germany. The brand is WANO. Has anyone had experience with it?
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WANO Black Powder
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A Report published in 2003 compared WANO and Scheutzen to an "improved" version of GOEX that appeared in 2001. The report detailed how in 1993, when WANO made its debut, it was poor powder. However by 2002, it had improved, and was almost as powerful as GOEX.
SUMMARY:
"In Dec. 2001, Goex went back to a maple wood charcoal that resulted in a powder
exhibiting the ballistic strength of the powder produced at the now abandoned Moosic,
PA powder plant. The 3Fg ballistic data shows that this latest shipment of WANO
matches the ballistic strength of the Minden Goex produced up until Dec. 2001. The 2Fg
ballistic data shows the latest WANO to be just a bit slower than the so-called “new”
Goex made with maple wood charcoal.
To raise the WANO velocities to those of “new” Goex would require an increase in the wheel-milling time of the WANO powder..... The alder wood charcoal used in the WANO powders shows good “strength” through the range of charges used. Increasing the wheel-milling time for the WANO powder would simply bump the entire line up to that seen with Goex. The graph showing the 3Fg velocities supports the idea that WANO’s present alder charcoal is capable of faster burn rates simply through increased wheel-milling times"
So it was good powder a decade ago, and if they haven't changed it's still a "good" powder. IF they followed the report recommendation then it may be equal to or better than GOEX. A decade is a lot of time and plenty of time to improve. Unfortunately, it's also enough time to encounter problems...so you'll have to try it to be sure.
LD
SUMMARY:
"In Dec. 2001, Goex went back to a maple wood charcoal that resulted in a powder
exhibiting the ballistic strength of the powder produced at the now abandoned Moosic,
PA powder plant. The 3Fg ballistic data shows that this latest shipment of WANO
matches the ballistic strength of the Minden Goex produced up until Dec. 2001. The 2Fg
ballistic data shows the latest WANO to be just a bit slower than the so-called “new”
Goex made with maple wood charcoal.
To raise the WANO velocities to those of “new” Goex would require an increase in the wheel-milling time of the WANO powder..... The alder wood charcoal used in the WANO powders shows good “strength” through the range of charges used. Increasing the wheel-milling time for the WANO powder would simply bump the entire line up to that seen with Goex. The graph showing the 3Fg velocities supports the idea that WANO’s present alder charcoal is capable of faster burn rates simply through increased wheel-milling times"
So it was good powder a decade ago, and if they haven't changed it's still a "good" powder. IF they followed the report recommendation then it may be equal to or better than GOEX. A decade is a lot of time and plenty of time to improve. Unfortunately, it's also enough time to encounter problems...so you'll have to try it to be sure.
LD
Big Iron
36 Cal.
Thanks. I had never seen it before last weekend. We will have to see how it shoots!
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woodse guy
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I honestly can't tell the difference in how dirty it is compared to GOEX. It's black powder I think patch lube has as much to do with how dirty the barrel gets as the powder you use.
Rickey Brown
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I have 4 cans two are ffg and two are fffg they work fine for me
Silex
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Works fine for me.
What granulation did you get?
I'm using PPP wich is pretty similar to FFF and am having good results in my smoothbore.
I can't directly compare GOEX and Wano because I wasn't able to shoot the powders side by side in my gun. But having shot both powders (GOEX and Wano) with a couple of months in between I couldn't determine a big difference.
Simply gotta try.
Silex
What granulation did you get?
I'm using PPP wich is pretty similar to FFF and am having good results in my smoothbore.
I can't directly compare GOEX and Wano because I wasn't able to shoot the powders side by side in my gun. But having shot both powders (GOEX and Wano) with a couple of months in between I couldn't determine a big difference.
Simply gotta try.
Silex
robert reed
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I have been using Graf & Sons FFG for a couple years. It is made by Wano. Great accuracy in .50. Maybe a little dirty with heavy loads. Will be using in rehabed .58 musket after deer season.
Klaus
40 Cal.
Hi Gents,
Wano is my home Brand here in Germany because it is cheaper opposide to Brands like Swiss or KIK and it performs very well in Frontstuffers and BPCR.
Wano offers BP in different granulation and grades
P Powder is the Premium gradeit is more polished than die other Grades. F- Powders are similar to American Grades.Another Grade was Sporting Powder sells in F Grades also.
I was using the Poor Hunting Powder No.1 with good success. It was a bit dirty but it has had alltimes good accuracy.
Since some times ago i was changing to the Sporting Powder and tried the FFFg Grade in my 45-70 Gov. with great success. Clean Brand and good accuracy.
Also made a trial with the same but Fg Grade
Finaly i will do the next with the FFg Brand and think about i settle on them.
Here are a pic about one target with the Hunting Powder No.1 i made at 50m Freehand .54 Cal. Hege Uberti Hawken .520 RB no wiping between
I feel that Wano is much simlar to Goex Powder.
I`ve very curious about the New Old Eynsford Powder but it was not available here at my place.
Some Gents at Shilo Rifle Forum tested it with great success.
regards
Klaus
Wano is my home Brand here in Germany because it is cheaper opposide to Brands like Swiss or KIK and it performs very well in Frontstuffers and BPCR.
Wano offers BP in different granulation and grades
P Powder is the Premium gradeit is more polished than die other Grades. F- Powders are similar to American Grades.Another Grade was Sporting Powder sells in F Grades also.
I was using the Poor Hunting Powder No.1 with good success. It was a bit dirty but it has had alltimes good accuracy.
Since some times ago i was changing to the Sporting Powder and tried the FFFg Grade in my 45-70 Gov. with great success. Clean Brand and good accuracy.
Also made a trial with the same but Fg Grade
Finaly i will do the next with the FFg Brand and think about i settle on them.
Here are a pic about one target with the Hunting Powder No.1 i made at 50m Freehand .54 Cal. Hege Uberti Hawken .520 RB no wiping between
I feel that Wano is much simlar to Goex Powder.
I`ve very curious about the New Old Eynsford Powder but it was not available here at my place.
Some Gents at Shilo Rifle Forum tested it with great success.
regards
Klaus
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Well, Klaus, that is good shooting no matter what powder you are using. :thumbsup:
