handgonne vs breastplate

[Spiridonov12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdXy0IfsWsE

 

[robinghewitt]

Oops! Failed proof, has to go back to the armourer. Repro plate armour isn't a patch on the good old fashioned stuff when it comes to actual use.

Armour should be tested proof against small arms and carry a dent from the proof ball. A gentleman going out for a bit of fighting during war season didn't want to take more than a sporting chance with his life.

Later the proof houses took over the testing of gun barrels which is why we say guns are in proof even though they aren't actually proof against anything :thumbsup:

 

[davy]

Brings upp all kinds of questions ... if I remember correctly the English longbow would go thru armour .. am I wrong? So what armour would be good against that kind of powerful bow, OR blackpowder weapons as well ... just curious? :hmm:

Either way even if it did not penetrate fully .. it sure would smarts a bit at least! :thumbsup:

Davy

 

[Charles D. Prokopp]

It's good to see our Russian cousins having some good, clean fun. Can't help but wonder what was in that jug they were passing around.

 

[Many Klatch]

I wonder how accurate that gun would have been if the person wearing that breastplate was running at the shooter, screaming and waving a big sword.

Many Klatch

 

[Spiridonov12]

Longbow not damage a breastplate. powder is more powerfull then longbow.I was test a arquebuse with a snapping matchlock. It make damage 2.5 mm plate:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqUMOywxmfU

 

[Moloch]

Very nice, sounds very powerful too. :hatsoff:

What caliber is it? It appears to be something around .75 or .85?

 

[Spiridonov12]

Handgonne is 17 mm, arquebus is 18.5 mm caliber

 

[bingo1952]

Longbows didn't do so well against plate armour but a fellow in chain mail was really up against it when facing a longbow. That is one of the reasons maces, war hammers and their ilk were so popular. You could bash them to death with a mace or actually pierce the armour with the spike end of a war hammer.

 

[Moloch]

I find it hard to believe that longbows did not damage breast plates, some historical books say that the arrows shot through 5'' of oak wood. Remember , they often had a draw weight up to 120lbs and above and the arrow tips were made of iron pin-shaped. Bows were found with almost 200lbs of draw weight and the shooters were often trained at the age of 4 to build up special bone structure at the shoulders.

My puny longbow with 45 lbs of draw weight can shoot through 1mm sheet metal with a pin-shaped heavy arrow head.

However, what I know is that the crossbows had no problems to penetrate the toughest armor, but they had draw weights up to 600 lb/s and they were drawn with a cranequin.

 

[Spiridonov12]

make your 1mm sheet metal sphere form, and place it on arming doublet and meet and try agayn :wink: Sorry. i speak Enflish very bad. Может, я попробую писать по-русски, а вы программой-переводчиком будете переводить?

 

[robinghewitt]

Brings upp all kinds of questions ... if I remember correctly the English longbow would go thru armour .. am I wrong?

Sort of, IIRC the English longbow was an Irish invention which the Normans discovered their chain mail was not proof against when they visited the Shamrock Isle.

Fairly soon after that they took to wearing a peir of plates which were proof. Then it sort of developed over the centuries in to the fully articulated armour you bought for the kids if they wanted to do tournaments.

There were special armour piercing longbow arwes, worked good on cheaper armour when fired by a proper longbowman. They had an odd musculature, some think they can spot a bowman by looking at the skeleton. Robin Hood looked nothing like Errol Flynn :thumbsup:

 

[Charles D. Prokopp]

It wasn't so much the thickness of plate armor that served as protection, but the shape of the plates. They were rounded, curved and angled to deflect projectiles and blades. Think of Medieval stealth technology. This way, the wearer would be protected by a light-weight battle harness. Surprisingly, later high-quality suits only weighed from 45 to 70 pounds.

 

[Grizzled Roberts]

Did they not make bodkin tip arrows that were designed to go through armor? I seen a demonstration on the history channel where the bodkin tip went through the breastplate. Did not the use of firelocks bring about the end of armor?
How thick and hard would a piece of armor need to be to stop a .75 caliber, 650 grain ball moving at 1200 FPS? It seems to me that if armor could stop muzzle loading balls it would have been used up to the 19th century.
Were the French Knights wearing plate armor at Agincourt in 1415?

Just a few random thoughts going through my head
tonight!!

:bow: :bow:

 

[bingo1952]

Firearms were indeed what brought about the demise of plate armour. Pistol proof plate is not neccessarily musket proof. A bodkin point out of a heavy bow could penetrate if a 90 degree angle or thereabouts hit at fairly close range was achieved but it was usually just by just enough to pin the wearer in his suit.

 

[Spiridonov12]

Did not the use of firelocks bring about the end of armor?

Did not the use of firelocks bring about It is less than accuracy

 

[Moloch]

Crossbows with 500-600 lbs of draw weight with bodkin-type bolt heads could penetrate most armor from 50 yards.

 

[Grizzled Roberts]

Spiridonov, Your English is much better than my
Russian! I was wondering What are the gun laws where you live? I know some places in Europe you can't even own a Gonne like in your video. Can you go out and shoot flintlocks and such?

:v

 

[David Teague]

Может, я попробую писать по-русски, а вы программой-переводчиком будете переводить?

"Maybe, I will try to write in Russian, and you by program- translator will transfer?" or my friend Вы пишете в русском и используете переводчика программы для того чтобы перенести к английской языку. :wink:

Bable Fish

 

[bingo1952]

Да, то будет работать.