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Is anyone going to/near the Shelburne museum? I will gladly refund your ticket price and pay you for your time if you can get some recon on a piece that's being displayed in the Terry Tyler antique firearm collection.

I recently traded for a neat little oddball smoothbore, made by one W.D. Carlton of Woodstock, Vermont. I was told that there were about 30 of these guns made, and that the only other known example is on display at this museum. Clear pictures of the gun and the placard text that accompany it are all that I am requesting. I wish I could up-and-go do it myself, but my cable-tow just isn't long enough.

Here is a picture of my gun. I have not seen any pictures of the example in the Tyler collection.
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I was told that these were made using reject .58 barrels from Springfield. They were reamed smooth, cut, and threaded to the tiny cast receiver. The internals are very similar to those of a Smith carbine. This is pre civil war, as Carlton died in 1860 at 37.

I have reached out to museum staff for further information, and they act like they can't help me.

"Just come visit us!" "Ma'am I would love to, but I am 1650 miles away with cattle to look after.", "Oh, let me transfer you to the archivist." Voicemail. Since then I have left several unanswered messages. I've even attempted a donation in token for some information. Still no dice.

From what I've read, and watched on the youtube, this is a good collection and worth the visit. The guns are displayed in a '3D' manner in which you can see the entire gun, not just one side of it.

https://shelburnemuseum.org/collection/vermont-firearms/
Many thanks!

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I can't think of a museum more deserving of a visit than the Shelburne. No matter what your interest is there is a display for it. The greatest collection of Americana I've ever been fortunate enough to see.
 
Did they send photos?
POST THEM!
We love old guns, you know that, and want to see what they have.
Post a few photos of your gun, too. It sounds interesting!
Hey John, no she hasn’t sent anything yet. I just replied to her reply about an hour ago. I’ll attach some pics of the little smoothbore. It was built by W.D. Carlton of Woodstock, VT.
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That's COOL! :thumb:
It reminds me of a rifle from someone famous, like Ethan Allen or similar, with a small receiver like that, that was for sale here a while back. I bet a lot of the early builders borrowed ideas from other builders.

The fit and finish on your rifle are beautiful, and the condition is wonderful for a rifle that is about 175 years old!
I'm not even half that old, and I don't look half as good! :dunno:
 
That museum has a nice gun collection. If you don’t get what you need, let me know. I know it’s a long wait but I may be there in October and I’d be happy to go by there for you.
 
Just an update.

Allison the archivist took some pictures and gave me what information she had on the Carlton piece they had in display.

The placard text reads:
"Wales Carlton of Woodstock was listed as a gunsmith from 1858 until 1861. He manufactured this iron-frame fowler, with its brass triggerguard, butt plate, and an
engraved hammer, during those years. He built a house in Woodstock in 1860
but never lived in it, as he died in 1861.”

She sent a few pictures of the gun:
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Very cool!!
 
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Is anyone going to/near the Shelburne museum? I will gladly refund your ticket price and pay you for your time if you can get some recon on a piece that's being displayed in the Terry Tyler antique firearm collection.

I recently traded for a neat little oddball smoothbore, made by one W.D. Carlton of Woodstock, Vermont. I was told that there were about 30 of these guns made, and that the only other known example is on display at this museum. Clear pictures of the gun and the placard text that accompany it are all that I am requesting. I wish I could up-and-go do it myself, but my cable-tow just isn't long enough.

Here is a picture of my gun. I have not seen any pictures of the example in the Tyler collection.
View attachment 235387

I was told that these were made using reject .58 barrels from Springfield. They were reamed smooth, cut, and threaded to the tiny cast receiver. The internals are very similar to those of a Smith carbine. This is pre civil war, as Carlton died in 1860 at 37.

I have reached out to museum staff for further information, and they act like they can't help me.

"Just come visit us!" "Ma'am I would love to, but I am 1650 miles away with cattle to look after.", "Oh, let me transfer you to the archivist." Voicemail. Since then I have left several unanswered messages. I've even attempted a donation in token for some information. Still no dice.

From what I've read, and watched on the youtube, this is a good collection and worth the visit. The guns are displayed in a '3D' manner in which you can see the entire gun, not just one side of it.

https://shelburnemuseum.org/collection/vermont-firearms/
Many thanks!

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Neat little gun! Congratulations on your scholarship, and hope they can be more willing to find someone to help you out. Best regards for your quest!
 
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