Every Once In A While The Patch...

[swathdiver]

...suggestion comes up with the loading of cap and ball revolvers.

First time I ever heard of such a thing, I walked into a gun shop run by an old gunny that had a modest selection of antique firearms and accoutrements. He said he loaded each chamber with a patched round ball, I bought some dried out wads and left to go shooting the right way.

Every once in a while it comes up again, even here, on an adjoining thread, that Pietta recommends patching the ball on a sixgun.

I don't think for a moment Mr. Pietta would condone such as we've conversed before and he seemed well versed on all manner of sixguns.

What say you?

 

[coloradoclyde]

that Pietta recommends patching the ball on a sixgun

I could find no such recommendation....

Do you have a source?

Considering that they recommend an oversized ball, I don't see how adding a patch would even be physically possible.... :shocked2:

 

[Zonie]

I'm sure the folks at Pietta were suggesting wadding up a patch to go between the powder and the ball if a very light powder load is desired.

They should be the first to realize actually patching the ball and then trying to force it into a chamber will only result in the sharp edges of the chamber mouth, punching a nice hole thru the patch.

 

[swathdiver]

In this post, right above mine:
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/297654/tp/2/

 

[coloradoclyde]

I see.....
I thought you had something directly from Pietta.
Like Zonie said, I think we can infer that they were referring to a wad of sorts, and not patching it like a rifle......
I'm sure something was lost in the translation....

Seems I remember some old owners manuals from Spain and Italy using some "odd" terms....
Maybe I will see If I can find them....

 

[Zonie]

In the post you refer to, Mr. T was talking about the ram on his pistol not being able to shove a roundball fully down on a small powder load.
He wrote that Pietta suggested loading "with a patch or wad...".

When I first read it, and now, after re-reading it I am sure Pietta intended the "patch or wad" to be used as a filler material between the ball and the powder.

As you know, a lot of people add corn meal or Cream of Wheat as a filler material on top of the powder charge to accomplish the same thing.

With the difficulty in wadding up a patch and cramming it into the chamber on top of the powder charge, and/or the high cost of .36 or .44 caliber wads I think the corn meal is the best answer.

 

[swathdiver]

Maybe so. I experienced such when dealing with the Chicoms years ago. We just think differently about things. But that gunny, he was patching every ball so he said.

 

[Tinker2]

"old gunny"
He said he loaded each chamber with a patched round ball

Well”¦”¦. I will admit to loading patched round balls in a cap & ball
I don’t recommend it, but it shot very well
A patched under sized ball


William Alexander

 

[coloradoclyde]

:hmm: ......Well, I guess I've done stranger things....

 

[coloradoclyde]

Maybe so. I experienced such when dealing with the Chicoms years ago.

Same here...I only found a few old manuals CVA, Traditions, and Investarms... My file cabinet is blocked and I could only open the door a little...

Much to my surprise, they were very well written...The old CVA manual actually had a lot of good information in it.....The Traditions was not as good....

 

[azmntman]

I would think the patch would "hang up" passing the cylinder and into the bore???

 

[swathdiver]

I've got a pdf of the CVA manual (12/02) if you want it.

 

[Tinker2]

I would think the patch would "hang up" passing the cylinder and into the bore???

Not that I had ever noticed

In a .36 cap & ball I used a .345 round ball and enough paper around it for a good tight seal
I use a full chamber of 3F. It shot well for me

I am/was a long range shooter and that was more accurate for me at the time
I don’t see well enough to warrant the extra hassle any more.
Also I don’t recommend it. and yes I know :youcrazy:



William Alexander

 

[coloradoclyde]

Well, here's a video of a guy doing the unthinkable....
[youtube]BdCY59tDbog[/youtube]

 

[azmntman]

I would think the patch would "strip" when moving from the cylinder into the barrel? When I forget the balls (and ya I have, and/or the powder, and/or the caps, and once the gun) I just go home and mow the lawn :idunno:

 

[coloradoclyde]

I would think the patch would "strip" when moving from the cylinder into the barrel?

yep!, If your revolver didn't have a forcing cone... :wink: