Ebay Doglock ?

[pirish28]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=72043&item=2261591676&rd=1

There is an interesting musket on ebay, looks like it has a dog lock on it, any ideas on what it may be ?

Regards,

Paul

 

[robinghewitt]

Looks like a Swedish percussion musket I saw up for sale, an earlier version perhaps? Even has the backward tang bolt. Let me put two pictures together.

 

Not only the upsidown tang screw, but the trigger guard is almost identical as well. I do believe that's the first 'safety' catch of that sort I've seen on a cap gun, though. I don't believe that percussion lock is without 1/2 cock notch as it appears to sport a tumbler bridle. That, in itself, not being sufficient to gurantee the notch, the modern generaly appearance surely suggests it and the 'dog' is merely an extra safety. The wood on the perc. gun is quite nice, what can be seen, that is, and even the flint gun looks to sport reasonable wood for it's age.

 

[robinghewitt]

It is a most curious mixture of ancient and not so ancient, half bridled to :shocking:

 

[Flintshooter in Indiana]

Cain't be a percussion lock. It's got a frizzen spring on it, or it looks to be so.

 

[musketman]

Many a flinters were converted to percussion, sometimes unused hardware was not removed...

This was the case with a 1838 musket of mine that was converted to percussion in 1849, it still had the frizzen spring on it...

However, the e-bay doglock is a flintlock with the hammer and frizzen removed...

 

[Flintshooter in Indiana]

If'n I a read a little further I"d a seen Daryl stated it was flint :snore: Duh

 

[Flintshooter in Indiana]

It looks like the pan's still there too.

 

[robinghewitt]

Cain't be a percussion lock. It's got a frizzen spring on it, or it looks to be so.

But isn't there enough similarity of style to suggest the same origin

The question was, "any ideas on what it may be ?"

This is like wading through treacle :: ::

 

Oviously, no one so far has seen one the same, however, they were probably made in the same area as - notice the

trigger guard is almost identical as well

statement I made above - and, virtually identical they are.

 

[robinghewitt]

Why thank you Daryl, you are officially non-treacle ::

 

[musketman]

The lock shape itself has strong English features, the picture above is and English doglock 1640-1690 era style...

They both have the banana shaped lockplate and the boxed priming pan...

 

[robinghewitt]

Allow me :: :: ::

 

[Stumpkiller]

The condition is not particulary good and will probabily not fire again. Some parts are missing such as the trigger and hammer with damage to the wood stock at various places and a split barrel at the business end.

Probably not fire again? Ya think?

Interesting use of round head screws for buttplate and sidelock. That's the trouble with something totally unfamiliar. Could be from 1728 . . . could be 1828 . . . could be 1928 . . . could be 1978???

 

[robinghewitt]

That pan looks almost like 1730's Dutch, the side plate looks like 1930's. This one whacky gun ::

 

[Slowpoke]

Squire Robin,

First, the avatar picture cracks me up. It's so very ugly, it has to be you.
Second, I too think this is a very wacky gun, very confusing, and
Lastly, should I try to find a box to put it in?
Me->

<-You

Chuck

 

[robinghewitt]

Hi Chuck

That was me back in '56. Ugly? Might explain why I had to wear that paper bag with the eye-holes cut in it, always wondered about that.

I just put down a holding deposit on an old gun with a busted stock, so my shopping abilities will be severely restricted for the next few months.

But don't let me stop you buying it ::

best regards

Squire Hewitt
GHH

 

[Stumpkiller]

I think the sideplate dates from 1908 to perhaps 1920. After that, the Cubist movement had fallen out of favor amoung the Eurpoean art community. That's one totally block serpent, man.

As long as you didn't make '"The Big Book of British Smiles" after you've grown older (ain't none of us grown up)

 

[robinghewitt]

Where the heck did you find that old photo of Slowpoke? I thought his parents burnt the last of them back in '69 :blah: ::

 

[Slowpoke]

You're a quick one there Hewitt, quick one indeed. You are the King !!