Calf foot stock

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  1. Apr 16, 2019 #1

    spudnut

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    Is there a certain hold with the calf foot stock like on the de chasse and french muskets with the dramatic drop?
     
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    Never heard that term. Pictures please.
     
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    Cant do pics here, the stock a tulle has!
     
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    The big French curve, although it did influence some Pennsylvania rifles.
    I do an upper arm hold like later guns with a deeply curved butt plate.
     
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    I shoulder mine like I would anything else that doesn't have a deeply curved buttplate, crease of the upper chest/shoulder, same as a modern shotgun.
     
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    My Caywood Wilson model has the same pied de vache (cow's foot) as the French muskets have. I put the butt in the pocket of my shoulder and fire. I've experienced no objectionable recoil, or "cheek slap."
     
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    "Pied de vache," or cow's foot. It is the correct period term for the shape of the late 17th to mid 18th c. French trade gun stock.
     
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    Never could see a cow's foot in those stocks. I must not have much of an imagination.
     
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    Perhaps it helps to be French....or to have one's spirit ration first!;)
     
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    You do have the early rifles on ‘colts foot’ stocks. Maybe there is some part of the shape they are thinking of that’s now been lost
     
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    Neither could I. Ah, them Frenchies! But that's the term.:confused:
     
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    The French Tulle’ rifles, and military muskets used what was called a Roman Nose buttstock design, this allowed for a more comfortable aim and shot. However for military arms the French redesigned their muskets after 1754 with a straighter design, this was the cows foot design (I believe); the tulle Roman nose design was abandoned by the French because they broke many of them, they were delicate. The 1763 and 1766 and 1774 Charleville patterns have the most noticeable cows foot design, which didn’t offer much in the name of comfort but offered a thicker more durable stock that was suited better for volley firing and shouldering and clubbing.

    Regards to aiming a Roman nose tulle design, I personally think the stock fits better when raised; and allows for a more steady focus.
     
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    The pied de cache styling was post 1727 ... not earlier ...
     
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    As depicted in the 3 images above (1740-1757).
     
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