Antique Signal Cannon Identification

[trechic]

Hello All.

First time poster, long time lurker of the board.

I recently found what I consider to be a vintage / antique brass signal cannon. Knowledgable people here may confirm this or provide me with a different thought.

The cannon is brass with a coat of arms and figural dolphins on the top. The length of the cannon measures 8" in length. The bore measures 5/8" across the opening. The tube is open all the way down to the firing opening.

The cannon sits on a very dark, almost black wooden trolly.

I would be curious to know what the coat of arms represents? Is it English, Spanish? Also, would there be an estimated date that one could put on the cannon?

I would be very interested to hear your thoughts and input on the cannon. Thank you in advance for your replys.

Kindest regards,

Greg

 

[KABAR2]

What a strange cannon... it seems the builder may have been drinking when he set the dolphins on it they look more like demonic horns than dolpins, the tube looks to have been lathe turned the hatch marks on the moldings machine made... it was probably made in the 1950's or 60's the tube has very little taper from breech to muzzel not knowing if this was cast in brass as a decorator or bronze as a shooter would suggest caution on firing it....

 

[trechic]

Thank you for the feedback. When I bought it, I was told it was fired to test it...however, I will take that with a grain of salt.

The brass cannon weighs in at 2 pounds and I can certainly see and feel rifling on the inside.

Maybe it is not brass, maybe it is bronze??

 

[Claude Mathis]

...it seems the builder may have been drinking when he set the dolphins on it they look more like demonic horns than dolpins,...

I thought they were elephants.

 

Looks like a Toledo made tourist piece, circa mid 1950's to 1970's. Screwed up the dolphins.

 

[Claude Mathis]

 

[Rifleman1776]

I am with the others. Old? Maybe but not quite antique. Although, I belive it is a pre-WWII item.
IMHO, decorator item, not a shooter.

 

[nit wit]

...it seems the builder may have been drinking when he set the dolphins on it they look more like demonic horns than dolpins,...

I thought they were elephants.

I did too!
Nit Wit

 

[Rifleman1776]

...it seems the builder may have been drinking when he set the dolphins on it they look more like demonic horns than dolpins,...

I thought they were elephants.

I did too!
Nit Wit

Not dolphins. Not uncommon on European cannon.I believe the big cannon overlooking the English Channel at Dover has a similar rear sight. But, that was 50+ years ago I saw it, memory might be off a tad. Squire Robin, what say ye?

 

[RocklockI]

Dolphins were not supposed to be sights. They were for lifting the gun. Your dolphins don't look cast in to me.
Is there some weld or something holding the dolphins on ? If those are cast on somebody sure spent a lot of time and greif to do them incorectly.

May be the maker had only seen a cannon with dolphins once? A long time ago ,from a long ways off.

Dolphins look like the cannon shown in the follow up pics .

I didn't see any rifling marks in the bore.
Gary

 

[cynthialee]

looks similar to a cannon my dad made when he was in shop class in high school back before my parents met

I think this is some young mans shop class project from back in the 40-60's.

 

[Billnpatti]

I'm certainly no expert on cannons but in my estimation, it is an Indian made decorator piece. I don't know if it is correct, but the barrel is at least interesting. However, the carriage leaves a bit to be desired. Enjoy it as a decent decorator piece.

 

[Dmitry]

The coat of arms is of the Kingdom of Portugal...the crown on the cannon is of incorrect style, though.

 

[cannoncollector]

Yea that thing looks like a cheap
model cannon, and probably should not even be fired for signaling

 

[satx78247]

Agreed. - My GUESS is that it was (given the "coat of arms") made in Pudacherry, India (a former Portuguese colony) as "a desk-top ornament".

yours, satx

 

[robinghewitt]

Squire Robin, what say ye?

The trunnions sit low so dolphins are good but they usually form lifting loops and are cast in.

8" long is a desk ornament or a child's toy, not that there is anything wrong with that, a signal cannon has to do lots more than a mere pistol crack.

Whenever you see a bronze cannon, look for chaplets. I always look for chaplets, it is great fun :thumbsup: