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robtattoo

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Before I post this I'd like to add a disclaimer:
I am not a gunsmith. Before building/assembling my 2 'Frankenrifles' I had never attempted anything like this before. I have had no instruction on how to do this & if anyone sees anything I've done that would be considered unsafe, anything that could be done better or anything that I didn't do that I should; please, please chime in so that I & others will know better for next time!
Thanks

Okay, that out of the way, let's begin:

First, remove your lock & trigger.


The trigger I'll show is a standard Lyman/Investarms double set unit, with the set trigger mechanism removed.

Smoothly polish the contact area of the trigger bar (I use very fine EDM stones, but 800 grit wet & dry paper works just as well)
lockbits001.jpg


Strip the lock. You'll need to compress the mainspring to remove it & the guide from the tumbler. You'll also need to be carefull when you remove the lower of the 3 screws in the bridle. It holds the sear in place & the sear is under sprung tension.
lockbits002.jpg

lockbits003.jpg


Once fully disassembled, & all the screws, springs & fly have been put in something the cat can't get into (the bastard.....) you can start to polish the sear.
First, polish the trigger contact area (I don't know if this has a special name. If it does, polish that bit)
lockbits005.jpg


Next polish the tip of the sear. You can round off the edge lightly. Not enough that it won't catch in the full-cock-notch, just enough that it rides smoothly over the edge.
lockbits004.jpg

lockbits006.jpg


There are 4 specific areas of the tumbler that need looking at.
1)The flat contact surfaces that sit against the bridle & lockplate,
2)The full cock notch tip,
3)The full cock notch flat &
4)The pivot that protrudes the lock plate. Again, please forgive my terminology, I don't necessarily know what every little bit is called.
1)
lockbits011.jpg

2)
lockbits007.jpg

3)
lockbits008.jpg

4)
lockbits013.jpg


If you look at the full-cock-notch, you'll see that it is 'hooked' so that the tip of the sear sits firmly in place. The trouble is that when you pull the trigger to release the sear, you are actually trying to rotate the tumbler backwards so that the sear-tip can pass this hook. I removed just enough metal from the hook so that it was flat surface. I left it so that the angle of the notch is such that the sear can't slip over the edge, even with repeated 'test whacks on the table edge' but it doesn't have to move the tumbler to disengage.

Also, it couldn't hurt to polish the pivot area of the screw that holds the sear.....
lockbits014.jpg


Finally, polish the back of the lockplate where everything sits, slides, turns & touches.
You can see some pretty nasty gouges in the back of mine that I didn't need to polish out after doing everything else....
lockbits012.jpg


I have also removed 1½ coils from my sear spring, but had I known then what I know now, I would've left this until I had done everything else & tested the lock. It was the first thing I tried, simply because I figured it would be the easy option.
By itself it dropped 1# off the trigger pull weight.
Judicious polishing & 'tuning' of the lock dropped 3# which would've given me exactly what I wanted. As it is, my trigger pull is now 2# & this being a hunting gun, I would've preferred a little heavier.

When I reassemble the lock, I use a tiny, tiny amount of lithium grease. Barely enough to be visible, but enough to prevent any metal-metal contact. Maybe I just got lucky, but by looking at what touched or rubbed against what & making those areas as smooth as I could be bothered (I KNOW I could've got it better & next time, I will) I've ended up with a lock & trigger that feel as smooth as anything I've ever felt. The trigger breaks like a glass rod, with zero creep.

Once again, please don't take this as a 'definitive guide to tuning locks' 'cos I'm pretty sure it's a dang long way from that! It's just a quick pictoral of what I did to MY lock & trigger to try & get them a little better than they left the factory.
Like I say, if the guys who actually know what they're doing are reading this & chuckling into their beards, could they please point out what I need to do to improve, so that folk like me who like to tinker don't make the same mistakes twice!
 
"If you look at the full-cock-notch, you'll see that it is 'hooked' so that the tip of the sear sits firmly in place. The trouble is that when you pull the trigger to release the sear, you are actually trying to rotate the tumbler backwards so that the sear-tip can pass this hook. I removed just enough metal from the hook so that it was flat surface. I left it so that the angle of the notch is such that the sear can't slip over the edge, even with repeated 'test whacks on the table edge' but it doesn't have to move the tumbler to disengage."

This is what I'm talking about & no; photoshop is NOT my friend! :D
001.jpg

Tried to edit, wouldn't let me.
 
Nice tutorial! :thumbsup:
The only thing I'd add is the inside of the sear where is rides against the lock plate.

The same kind of thing can be done to the triggers,
Drive the pins out and smooth/polish the sides and engaging surfaces of the triggers themselves.
 
See? Forgetful.
I did polish the area where the sear contacts the lock plate, although I just realised, I haven't polished the plate itself in this area :doh:

Polishing the sides of the trigger bars is something that hadn't occurred to me. After removing the set trigger I have a lot of room around the remainder, but as standard I can see how that would make a lot of diffrence.

Thanks! :hatsoff:
 
Thank you for the great tutorial and I don't mind if the right terms or names are ever used. I call this little thingy, little thingy and so on. Those pictures are worth a thousand words. I appreciate all the trouble and time you put in to honoring my request for what you did to improve Frankenrifle. Looks like I'll be taking my lock apart again this weekend. Couldn't be happier. :grin:
 
Excellant description of what is to be done in simple to understand style. Yea those "thingy's " have technical names but how many actually know them. :idunno: :idunno:
 
Very informative. Thanks for taking the time and effort to post.
 
Best polishing tool I've found is a small fine Arkansas stone. You are polishing, not grinding, and have more control of the amount of steel you remove.
 
Any tricks to compressing the mainspring? Might have to see about giving this a shot.
 
Be honest all I did was pry it out with a screwdriver, obviously after moving all the vases & ornaments! It only 'pinged'across the room once when I was trying to refit it.
 
Sweet, and thanks! Kind of what I figured, but who knows these days. Thanks for the tips and I'll have to give it a shot as soon as I get the chance.
 
Anonym said:
Any tricks to compressing the mainspring?
Here's a short video of the simple method to remove the spring.
Just relax the spring by letting the hammer down all the way past the tumbler notches;
http://youtu.be/JGdAQBsAAzI
 
Ano and others:

When removing the mainspring, cover the lock with a shop rag to trap the spring and strut, and also keep it from impaling your eyeball.... BTW, small parts that hit the floor turn into spent caps.

I've worked on enough of these locks for myself and friends to have made a special tool to reinstall the mainspring. Take an old screwdrive with a quarter or three-eighths shank, and cut to 4 inch length. Square up the end. File away half the end so when viewed end on it looks like a capital letter D. Bevel should reach back about an inch. Create a small dimple centered just inside the straight side of the D. Use a drill or Dremel bit.

After assembling the rest of the lock, clamp in vise or to bench top. Start the strut and spring into the boss, then engage the tip in the dimple on the tool and slide across the bridle until the tip can drop into its recess on the tumbler.

White Fox
 
Wow! I've only owned one rifle with one of those locks but don't remember how I got the mainspring out. The screwdriver trick has to one of the best no-brainer solutions I've heard about.
 
Well, I don't have any complaints with my Renegade, but did decide to disassemble and polish the lock on my CVA Squirrel Rifle. Night and day difference between the before and after. Thanks for the tips!
 
Thank you for that link. I decided to try my hand at polishing my T/C trigger and lock internals. I used leather as my polishing medium, I polished all the places showed in the tutorial. I dont think it helped much, but I may need to do a little more polishing. I did not want to get carried away with removing metal, I figured I could always remove more metal, but it would be awful hard to add metal back.
 
CVA rifle locks tend to be more "Assembled" than "Fitted". By which I mean the lock parts came out of a bin, were screwed together and placed into a gun. If the lock cocked at half and full cock, and pulling the trigger released the hammer at some point, it was shipped.
I've never seen a CVA lock that didn't benefit greatly from simply removing it and deburring the parts and polishing bearing surfaces. Investarms locks tend to be better, but hardly fabulous in this regard. T/C locks hold a much better quality and finishing standard, but the full cock notches tend to be "lawyerized" to a pretty heavy pull.
 
I just finished polishing the lock on my Renegade Hunter. I am not sure if I got all the surfaces I should have but wow, what a difference. Clipping the spring will be certainly unnecessary. I am unequipped to measure the pull accurately but it is way lighter and noticeably smoother.
Thanks all again for the thread and the video tip for removing the main spring.
 
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