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pappy237 
40 Cal.
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pappy237
08-01-12 06:28 PM - Post#1174135    


Does anyone from Mo. know Why They would change muzzleloading season for Deer to Alternative
weapons. Just saying.

 
david50 
45 Cal.
Posts: 525
08-02-12 01:56 PM - Post#1174427    

    In response to pappy237

absolutely ridiculous! allowing modern handguns during muzzleloader season .hell,why even bother with different seasons,just turn them loose with what ever they want to use .

 
Cynthialee 
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Cynthialee
08-02-12 06:32 PM - Post#1174520    

    In response to david50

If it was my call all hunting would be limited to Black Powder fire arms, bows, or single shot center fire rifles. Without any concern over what weapons are ussed durring the hunting season. (so long as it is in the above list of weapons)
Probably a good thing I ain't in charge of that call. I'd have 90% of the hunters out there pissed at me.
Just seems to me if you are gonna hunt, then hunt.
No one except for a handfull of Alaskan native tribes are subsistance hunters any more in our society. For the subsistance hunter I would have no regulation on thier fire arms used or when they can hunt.

 
Black Water Swamp 
32 Cal.
Posts: 14
08-05-12 07:14 AM - Post#1175326    

    In response to Cynthialee

Missouri really dropped the ball this time. I have lived here my entire life and it is a trend that our Missouri Department of Conservation is going to get even more liberal in the future. They fly it uder the banner of hunter recrutment but it boils down to more dollars and that is really a sad thing. We as primative hunters are paying the real price. Every one with a tag left over after the November firearms portion will be in the woods come December with everything from a 300 mag T/C pistol to thier 9mm auto's with 15 clips. Like someone said earlier why not just through everyone into one season and sadly I dont think that is too far in the future. Breaks my bloody heart.

 
woodse guy 
40 Cal.
Posts: 461
08-08-12 07:01 PM - Post#1176778    

    In response to pappy237

Because they are stupid.

 
Ol Ephraim 
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Posts: 154
08-11-12 12:43 PM - Post#1177757    

    In response to pappy237

I didn't like it much when they moved the season to late Dec.
But this, I fail to find the words to adequately describe my feelings.
The only solice is that the bulk of the hunters are lazy and won't be out.
But on the other hand, those who used the modern BP rifles will be out with the handguns.
The deer will be subjected to almost 2 months of centerfire pressure. The noctural deer will be holed up on private, posted ground.
Like always the common people get no say.

Edited by Ol Ephraim on 08-11-12 12:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bassnfool 
32 Cal.
Posts: 11
08-16-12 12:53 PM - Post#1179727    

    In response to Ol Ephraim

I don't recall anyone from the Missouri Conservation Departmet asking for comments from the public. The commission is appointed and not answerable to anyone. The system really should be changed.

 
woodse guy 
40 Cal.
Posts: 461
08-16-12 02:54 PM - Post#1179779    

    In response to bassnfool

I don't remember that either. They ask two years ago before they changed the boundries for duck season.

 
mack1 
32 Cal.
Posts: 7
09-04-12 10:24 PM - Post#1186993    

    In response to bassnfool

This is what happens when you give a them open ended funding by a specific tax. There is no real way for state reps to influnce there funding.

 
tryinhard 
40 Cal.
Posts: 230
tryinhard
09-14-12 06:30 AM - Post#1190458    

    In response to pappy237

Has anyone sent letters into them about this? I have sent them 3 myself asking for an early season for traditional muzzleloaders. The bow hunters get a full month why shouldn't we get a week or ten day season? Their response is the same everytime. "We feel that hunters as a whole are satisfied with seasons the way they are.". My point is I feel there is enough support to petition them to change to a traditional ml season in October but we will have to band together and fight for it.

 
pappy237 
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pappy237
09-14-12 06:45 PM - Post#1190656    

    In response to tryinhard

I havn't sent any letters yet but am going to check and see if they have a place on there web site to ask or give opinions. I liked it when they first started and you had to buy a muzzle loader tag or centerfire tag and had to different seasons

 
pappy237 
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pappy237
09-18-12 08:08 PM - Post#1192288    

    In response to pappy237

Got a reply to the e-mail I sent to MDC their reason for changing to alternitive weapons is that muzzleloaders have advance to be comparable to some centerfire rifles so they thought they would exspand to a season for veriable types of weapons. parodon the spelling. frustrated

 
Little John Z 
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Little John Z
10-05-12 03:10 AM - Post#1197955    

    In response to pappy237

Well we have a strict tradional only hunting rule on our property and the hunting lease our hunting group owns. Flintlocks for gun hunting, and recurve/longbow for archery only allowed. Other then the plaid weekend where you have to wear old school red flannels, and hunt with a lever gun. I like use a flintlock and get weird looks when hunting in Michigan where I hunt its muzzleloader, shotgun, or pistol only, no centerfire rifles. I have nothing against in-liners but they should not be allowed to be used in the special muzzleloading only season which is after the youth gun hunt, early doe hunt, bowseason, and standard gun season. Kentucky has a weekend muzzleloading season in mid october every year now thats nice the deer are not all in hiding and you can get a chance at a real nice buck.

Edited by Little John Z on 10-05-12 03:12 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
osage orange 
36 Cal.
Posts: 89
06-24-13 09:48 PM - Post#1291073    

    In response to Little John Z

I know this is an old thread but I'd like to beat this dead horse some more. I have been a MO resident for over 25 yrs and have always tried to support those who mangage our wildlife. But the new "alternative" season is absolutely stupid! I hate it! It reeks of political nonsence based on attracting out of state trophy hunters for campaign (sp) $$$$.

Some day, hunting will only be assessable to the very wealthy.

I love to hunt with my flintlock and osage bow that I made myself.

 
Oak Walker 
32 Cal.
Posts: 35
06-26-13 08:44 PM - Post#1291556    

    In response to osage orange

It is a fact that the only reason they did this is to increase opportunity for hunters that would not hunt with a muzzle loader. In my estimation they have plenty of opportunity already. What we need is not more hunters but better hunter!!!!!

 
viking 
Pilgrim
Posts: 2
08-24-13 08:26 AM - Post#1307357    

    In response to pappy237

I too am born and raised in the ozarks of missouri and remember when they were trying to get the muzzleloader season for the first time a lot of money and groundwork was done and a lot of petitions were signed it was a great exciting thing when it passed .Sad that it has come to what it is now .Also as stated the season has been so late in the year good luck finding a deer .It probably been changed or might have been changed for lobbiest from the gun companies that are making a lot of guns of a modern design I am thinking of moving to Indiana where they are truing to make it right.

 
Oak Walker 
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Posts: 35
08-25-13 07:32 PM - Post#1307802    

    In response to viking

Rumor has it we will have crossbows in archery season next year. They are killing the romance that used to be associated with primitive seasons. And eroding the ethics of what should otherwise be a noble pursuit. Makes me sad.

 
Hoyt 
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Hoyt
11-21-13 04:26 PM - Post#1333163    

    In response to Oak Walker

Sounds to me like it might be a slap in the face to the non traditional type more modern muzzleloader shooters. Only problem is they need to make a special season for flintlocks and percussion shooters or a traditional season with stickbows and traditional muzzleloaders.

 
hawken hunter 60 
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Posts: 432
01-05-14 03:40 PM - Post#1351522    

    In response to tryinhard

I tried to get some attention at the state level about some issues a few years ago about modern ML'rs. (in lines) All I got as a response was "we'll take it under advisement". As you can tell I got nowhere with it. It seems that traditionalists are getting tuned out more and more. I thought this might be a good read. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid...

HH 60

Edited by hawken hunter 60 on 01-05-14 03:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
satx78247 
Cannon
Posts: 6172
01-05-14 07:23 PM - Post#1351657    

    In response to Oak Walker

I don't know about your state but in TX the ONLY persons, who may use crossbows in the archery and/or "primitive weapon" season, are persons who have a severe upper extremity disability (with a SWORN, notarized, statement from their physician, that states that they are UNABLE to draw a longbow or compound bow.) OR are a 100% combat disabled vet.
(Those permits are difficult to obtain from TPWD.)

At least here, the number of "disabled crossbow permits" are FEW in number.

yours, satx


 
house 
40 Cal.
Posts: 275
house
01-10-14 10:08 PM - Post#1353753    

    In response to Black Water Swamp

Hit it right on the head. It is all about selling more tags. They are spineless and only worry about keeping the urban folks happy. Sales tax voters!

 
Rifleman1776 
Cannon
Posts: 14554
Rifleman1776
01-11-14 09:30 AM - Post#1353857    

    In response to hawken hunter 60

  • hawken hunter 60 Said:
I tried to get some attention at the state level about some issues a few years ago about modern ML'rs. (in lines) All I got as a response was "we'll take it under advisement". As you can tell I got nowhere with it. It seems that traditionalists are getting tuned out more and more. I thought this might be a good read. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid...

HH 60




Having done a fair amount of lobbying, I know it takes an organized effort with much pushing and shoving to get the attention of state agencies. Keep in mind, a bureaucrats only objective is to get one day closer to retirement each day. The smooth path is the one they will choose every time. You need to disrupt that path, big time, before you can get their attention and change direction. One letter won't do it.

 
TwoWithOne 
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Posts: 145
TwoWithOne
01-11-14 07:37 PM - Post#1354093    

    In response to satx78247

Pa. used to be like that also for x-bows now anybody can use them. The in-line crowd is screaming they want their in-lines in our late Flintlock season its getting ugly anymore.

 
satx78247 
Cannon
Posts: 6172
01-11-14 09:28 PM - Post#1354141    

    In response to TwoWithOne

NO argument from me.

I don't know about PA but in VA the crossbows were added into "primitive weapons season" PRIMARILY because there are places in VA where there are over 200 WT per square mile. = Using crossbows is believed to have increased the kill of surplus deer, there.
(When I was living in VA, after counting 61 deer in our 1/3 acre suburban yard in a ONE HOUR period in September 2009, I was called repeatedly by the county's animal control officers & OFFERED a "depredation permit" to hunt with my crossbow IN the city/county parks, as the deer were eating EVERYTHING, including all the flowers, shrubbery & the bark off of the trees on private lawns.)

Note: Based on the gross over-population of deer in Fairfax County & in The City of Alexandria, I have suggested in writing to both jurisdictions that deer season be OPEN all year, until/unless deer populations fall to a "sustainable level".

yours, satx


 
galamb 
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galamb
01-15-14 06:02 PM - Post#1355735    

    In response to satx78247

  • satx78247 Said:

I don't know about PA but in VA the crossbows were added into "primitive weapons season"



Since crossbows were around at least 1600 years before the flintlock showed up on the scene, it's tough to argue it's not a "primitive weapon" - especially if it's of the recurve (non-compound) design.


Edited by galamb on 01-15-14 06:05 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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