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march1781 
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04-01-08 06:24 AM - Post#552228    


I am Trying to find a good website to buy a kentucky rifle or a kit. I want a not expensive one and i just dont know where to find a kit or a gun. If you could tell me where to find one That would be great.
Justin

 
Rusty Musket 
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04-01-08 06:32 AM - Post#552231    

    In response to march1781

Try Dixie Gun Works for an inexpensive kit like Traditions or Pedersoli. I bought my Pedersoli kit there.

 
Rocky J 
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04-01-08 06:33 AM - Post#552232    

    In response to march1781

tipcurtis@bellsouth.net has rifles in the white. The possible shop has kits his web site is on this forum. You will grt more help here. Rocky

 
Wick Ellerbe 
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04-01-08 06:44 AM - Post#552235    

    In response to march1781

There are cheap kits, and there are good kits, but there are no good cheap kits. RockyJ has a good suggestion though. Tip Curtis, or TVM will give you a decent gun "in the white", at a decent price. If you want a kit that is the easiest to build, and of the highest quality, and with the best chance of good success, JIM CHAMBERS.

Edited by Wick Ellerbe on 04-01-08 06:45 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Boar-dilly 
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04-01-08 07:04 AM - Post#552242    

    In response to march1781

Deer Creek has some. ph.765-525-6181. No web site. There Traditions Kentucky kit is 199.00. Dilly

 
ApprenticeBuilder 
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04-01-08 07:48 AM - Post#552257    

    In response to march1781

TVM - Tennesee Valley Manufacturing - Jack Garner has quality parts sets, these require a fair amount of work but are every bit as nice as the others. Last set I purchased came to about $600.00 deliverd, 38" swamped an tapered Lancaster with brass furniture.

Depends on the amount of work you feel comfortable with. I prefer only the barrel and ram rod inletted, it gives me more freedom in designing the build. Of course I am gravitating towards blanks now as that is the ultimate freedom.
Chambers makes a nice product, but it is a kit in practically the same way a Lyman, Traditions, T/C is a kit. The majority of the work is completed for you and the price is just shy of $1000.

 
CoyoteJoe 
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04-01-08 08:47 AM - Post#552269    

    In response to march1781

You might check out www.sittingfoxmuzzleloaders.com, I haven't seen any of their kits but they have attractive prices, from just under $400 and up.

 
ApprenticeBuilder 
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04-01-08 09:04 AM - Post#552273    

    In response to ApprenticeBuilder

opps here is the web addy
Tennessee Valley Manufacturing

He shows a Tennessee Poor Boy for $356.40, thats right in there with the production kits i.e. Lyman

 
Wick Ellerbe 
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04-01-08 10:55 AM - Post#552323    

    In response to ApprenticeBuilder

You get what you pay for!

 
Dan Phariss 
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04-01-08 12:28 PM - Post#552347    

    In response to march1781

  • march1781 Said:
I am Trying to find a good website to buy a kentucky rifle or a kit. I want a not expensive one and i just dont know where to find a kit or a gun. If you could tell me where to find one That would be great.
Justin



If you want a Kentucky rifle kit you will have to spend some money. JIm Chambers would be my first choice. There are others.
If you want a cheap generic ML then go to the import stuff. But don't call it a "Kentucky" its comparable to the cheap mass produced junk Leman produced, the subsidiary Connestoga Rifle Works made some real "gems".
But its not a Kentucky no matter what moniker they put on the box to sell it.
You simply cannot have it both ways. There are not good cheap MLs. You might check TVM's finished guns.

Dan

 
Dan Phariss 
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04-01-08 12:36 PM - Post#552349    

    In response to ApprenticeBuilder

  • ApprenticeBuilder Said:
TVM - Tennesee Valley Manufacturing - Jack Garner has quality parts sets, these require a fair amount of work but are every bit as nice as the others. Last set I purchased came to about $600.00 deliverd, 38" swamped an tapered Lancaster with brass furniture.

Depends on the amount of work you feel comfortable with. I prefer only the barrel and ram rod inletted, it gives me more freedom in designing the build. Of course I am gravitating towards blanks now as that is the ultimate freedom.
Chambers makes a nice product, but it is a kit in practically the same way a Lyman, Traditions, T/C is a kit. The majority of the work is completed for you and the price is just shy of $1000.



Mentioning Lyman and these others in the same sentence with the kits Jim Chambers produces shows a lack of understanding.

The T/C will be a T/C no matter what. The Chambers kits are semi-completed traditional rifles that will finish as historically correct firearms of the type chosen with best quality parts throughout.
The Lyman, Traditions and TC stuff makes a ML nothing more, they are neither historically correct or high quality. They were created for those who want a ML at the lowest price.

Dan

 
ApprenticeBuilder 
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04-01-08 08:22 PM - Post#552449    

    In response to Dan Phariss

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Mentioning Lyman and these others in the same sentence with the kits Jim Chambers produces shows a lack of understanding.



I would guess that the lack of understanding is yours. The mentioning of Chambers kits in the same sentence as T/C or Lyman was in reference to the amount of work already completed, not the quality of the product.


 
ApprenticeBuilder 
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04-01-08 09:09 PM - Post#552467    

    In response to Wick Ellerbe

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You get what you pay for!



Yup





 
Doc Rogers 
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04-01-08 09:29 PM - Post#552473    

    In response to march1781

Another vote for Jim Chambers as their website is amazing and I hear nothing but great reports about them.

When get around to making one of my own in the future, it'll be a Chambers kit I go with.

Doc

 
redwing 
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04-01-08 09:47 PM - Post#552476    

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gunn 
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gunn
04-01-08 09:57 PM - Post#552480    

    In response to march1781

Sitting Fox. Ray will really work with you. GUNN
AUT PAX AUT BELLUM

 
march1781 
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04-02-08 06:18 AM - Post#552579    

    In response to ApprenticeBuilder

um i like that gun and was wondering if you would sell that to me email me.

 
ApprenticeBuilder 
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04-02-08 07:36 AM - Post#552595    

    In response to march1781

I appreciate your interest, unfortunatly I sold it at a trade show the first part of March, that rifle was produced from a $370.00 parts set.

The pictures were just to show that you can build a beautiful rifle out of a set of parts that don't cost $1000.

If your building for a living and mass production is your game then Chambers cannot be beat, about 8 hrs production time for a plain rifle.

 
Anonymous 
04-02-08 08:05 AM - Post#552602    

    In response to ApprenticeBuilder

  • ApprenticeBuilder Said:
  • In reply to:
Mentioning Lyman and these others in the same sentence with the kits Jim Chambers produces shows a lack of understanding.



I would guess that the lack of understanding is yours. The mentioning of Chambers kits in the same sentence as T/C or Lyman was in reference to the amount of work already completed, not the quality of the product.




I, kind of, misunderstood your first reference to Chambers and T/C as well. I cut my teeth on a T/C and a Lyman back in the 80's and probably had about 8-10 hours in each of them from start to finish. The Chamber's Isaac Haines I built is a completely different story. Even though it is "90%" complete, I know I have at least 120 hours in it from start to finish even though it was not technically my first "kit" gun.


 
Wick Ellerbe 
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04-02-08 09:09 AM - Post#552629    

    In response to ApprenticeBuilder

that is a nice gun, and what you say is true, but do you really think March1781 can do that well first time out of the gate?

Edited by Wick Ellerbe on 04-02-08 09:10 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
ApprenticeBuilder 
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04-02-08 10:07 AM - Post#552638    

    In response to Wick Ellerbe

  • Quote::
that is a nice gun, and what you say is true, but do you really think March1781 can do that well first time out of the gate?




In all honesty yes.

My first longrifle was built by a local guy and I helped as much as he would allow, I mainly observed the processes, and bought 3 building manuals. I was not aware of boards such as this. The longrifle above was my first attempt alone, and my second overall longrifle related project.
In this hobby I don't feel its so much about getting what you pay for as getting what you put into it, but thats just my personal opinion and we all know about opinions.

I have seen your work on this board as well as another and your attention to detail places you in the master class of builders and I respect your abilities, but maybe we as a collective group should get a little more information from March1871 about his abilities and expectations.




Edited by ApprenticeBuilder on 04-02-08 10:09 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
ApprenticeBuilder 
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04-02-08 10:18 AM - Post#552641    

    In response to march1781

I am as guilty as any in this oversite.

How much experience do you have with wood working and metal working?
There is a fair amount of desire involved in building a longrifle, your personality plays in here. Overcoming mistakes and pressing ahead with the project can be trying at times, having the paitence to walk away for a day to think a process thru, or to not pitch the whole works into the wood stove.
Do you have a workspace with some room, It does not take alot of tools to build one of these but the type of tools can make or break a project.

Thinking we need a bit more information from you to make an educated response.
For some an " in the white " longrifle is the way to go

 
march1781 
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04-02-08 04:59 PM - Post#552794    

    In response to ApprenticeBuilder

I am just trying to get a gun so i can be able to shoot i will even take a kit because i have a work shop. I just am trying to get one because i really would like one and would really appreciate any place you could tell me where to get a fowler or kentucky rifle or if you could sell one to me. I was also wondering if there would be any great deals at the FT. FRedrick, Maryland market fair in april.


 
tg 
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04-02-08 05:31 PM - Post#552808    

    In response to ApprenticeBuilder

"Thinking we need a bit more information from you to make an educated response.
For some an " in the white " longrifle is the way to go"

This is often a good way for a first timer to go, also out of curiosity how many folks have put a Chambers parts set together in 8 hrs, I have never done one just curious seems kind of fast to me if it includes stain amd finish.
The smoke's blown out the vent till there is no more,then a charge of powder I pour, patch&ball go down the bore, shoulder the gun and fire some more


 
march1781 
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04-02-08 07:50 PM - Post#552871    

    In response to march1781

Where are some good places to go to find a "in the white" Rifle kit or rifle for a cheap price?

 
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