No slip Jag modification

Someone on another topic recently asked that I post pictures of the modification I make to my jags so that when cleaning a smoothbore and trying to turn a patch against the breech face, the patch doesn't just sit there while the jag spins inside it.

I apologize to that person, I can't remember what topic it was under.

Herenare the pics of the notches filed in the jag edges to catch the patch,






I try to file the notch so there is some lead in on one side and a flat 90 degree edge on the other. So the flat edge is being turned clockwise and catches the patch, if that makes sense in writing.

Brokennock said:

Someone on another topic recently asked that I post pictures of the modification I make to my jags so that when cleaning a smoothbore and trying to turn a patch against the breech face, the patch doesn't just sit there while the jag spins inside it.

I apologize to that person, I can't remember what topic it was under.

Herenare the pics of the notches filed in the jag edges to catch the patch,
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I try to file the notch so there is some lead in on one side and a flat 90 degree edge on the other. So the flat edge is being turned clockwise and catches the patch, if that makes sense in writing.

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Interesting modification, Nock.

Does it help keep the patch on the jag as you draw it out of the bore?

Gus

Similar deal. Here’s how I do mine.

No need for that. I use a tow worm, as did the old timers. The patch and jag is unneeded modernity.

Sure thing.

Artificer said:

Does it help keep the patch on the jag as you draw it out of the bore?

Gus

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Not sure. Haven't really had the trouble of the patch coming off when withdrawing the rod. Well, except for when I forget to take the plug out of the touch hole, a couple times the vacuum created just as the jag and patch leave the muzzle has sucked the patch right off and into the bore.

Smokey Plainsman said:

No need for that. I use a tow worm, as did the old timers. The patch and jag is unneeded modernity.
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Nope no need. Unless of course one doesn't have one of those tow wipers. But, hey, why should we help out newer folks, or those of lesser means, who haven't spent the money on a nice wiper.

A couple of problems with the worm and tow is they are not very available or good on small bores and the worm prongs end up being the main thing contacting the breech face.

Make sure you keep that tow away from mice!! Long story

Thanks, Brokennock. I spotted the notched jag in your skychief load tutorial and have used the idea without fail ever since. Works to perfection.

Brokennock said:

Someone on another topic recently asked that I post pictures of the modification I make to my jags so that when cleaning a smoothbore and trying to turn a patch against the breech face, the patch doesn't just sit there while the jag spins inside it.

I apologize to that person, I can't remember what topic it was under.

Herenare the pics of the notches filed in the jag edges to catch the patch,




View attachment 41967

I try to file the notch so there is some lead in on one side and a flat 90 degree edge on the other. So the flat edge is being turned clockwise and catches the patch, if that makes sense in writing.

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Great idea, thanks for sharing!! Since I had not thought of your idea I always use my favorite solvent on a patch rammed against the breech plug first, and then spun with a fouling scraper. The patch is not wrapped on the scraper, the scraper blade is against the compressed patch. The downside is one has to remove the patch with a worm or bullet puller.
Flintlocklar

Brokennock said:

Someone on another topic recently asked that I post pictures of the modification I make to my jags so that when cleaning a smoothbore and trying to turn a patch against the breech face, the patch doesn't just sit there while the jag spins inside it.

I apologize to that person, I can't remember what topic it was under.

Herenare the pics of the notches filed in the jag edges to catch the patch,
View attachment 41969

View attachment 41968

View attachment 41967

I try to file the notch so there is some lead in on one side and a flat 90 degree edge on the other. So the flat edge is being turned clockwise and catches the patch, if that makes sense in writing.

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so when down on the breach face you always turn it in the clockwise direction, to the rite, correct?

Smokey Plainsman said:

No need for that. I use a tow worm, as did the old timers. The patch and jag is unneeded modernity.
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did some one hit a nerve? we all in this world cannot be period correct, other wise we all would be riding horses to get to work. it is called innovation and progress. JMHO.

toot said:

so when down on the breach face you always turn it in the clockwise direction, to the rite, correct?

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Yes. Otherwise you unscrew the jag if the patch is fitting tightly.

You mention this being used on a smoothbore but could it be used on a rifle as well? Particularly a smaller caliber one like 32. Thanks

The one I posted is 32 cal. I reduced the diameter by about.020 so it will turn at the breech face and also not tend to push fouling down the bore but instead pull it out.

These things are only for flat faced breech plugs with no notch.

Hmmm...
A commercially available breech face scraper is readily available from many online retailers.
This one is what I use on my 75 cal Bess.
The steel stud is threaded for 10/32 of course

Nice idea!

Griz44Mag said:

Hmmm...
A commercially available breech face scraper is readily available from many online retailers.
This one is what I use on my 75 cal Bess.
The steel stud is threaded for 10/32 of course

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Yes that was covered by an earlier post. They don’t hold a patch very well.