Tulip rifle question....

[Brokennock]

I am hoping @rich pierce and @ekettenburg will chime in as pictures and info provided by Mr. Pierce are what prompts this question and Mr. Ketenburg provided a lot of good information in that topic thread.
Discussing early rifles recently, and some of my favorites, another fellow and I were looking at the pictures of the Tulip rifle provided by Mr. Pierce in this topic,
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/was-there-a-transitional-rifle.134955/
My question pertains to this picture of the lock

The discussion says the lock is probably a replacement, but could the flint-cock also be a replacement put on just to make the gun look complete? Look at the relationship of the flint jaws to the frizzen, and more importantly to the pan. It doesn't look like this would even work if we extend a line out to where the flint edge would be,,,, and mores it looks to me like the flint would hit the pan.
Thoughts?

Would still love to see more pics of this gun, especially a full length picture.

 

[Uncle Miltie]

The hammer is definitely a replacement, and is too small for the lock.

 

[Bushfire]

The hammer is definitely a replacement, and is too small for the lock.

What are you referring to as the hammer?

 

[rich pierce]

The cock is a replacement. It’s an English lock but the cock is Germanic.

 

[Uncle Miltie]

What are you referring to as the hammer?

The cock.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Can I comment or only RP and EK?

 

[rich pierce]

Can I comment or only RP and EK?

I think you’ve built at least one rifle inspired by this original?

 

[Pete G]

Can I comment or only RP and EK?

Please do

 

[Brokennock]

Can I comment or only RP and EK?

Why couldn't you?
I only singled those two out because it was some of their posts on that older topic that got me interested in this particular rifle.
Informed commentary is always welcome. As are well thought out questions, or comments of a wondering or questioning nature.

 

[Brokennock]

Can I comment or only RP and EK?

Rich Pierce says you've built at least one rifle based on this gun. What did you use for a lock? Did you get to handle the rifle in person first?

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Rich Pierce says you've built at least one rifle based on this gun. What did you use for a lock? Did you get to handle the rifle in person first?

I believe the original to possibly be Swedish. Appears to be stocked in birch if I recall correctly. I did mine in knarly maple anyway. It's on my list of things to build for myself. I'll see if I can see some pictures later today.

 

[Brokennock]

I believe the original to possibly be Swedish. Appears to be stocked in birch if I recall correctly. I did mine in knarly maple anyway. It's on my list of things to build for myself. I'll see if I can see some pictures later today.

The color picture provided by Rich in the linked topic in my o.p.

makes me surprised at beechwood, but I am certainly no expert.
Now that you have drawn my attention to it, I can see the possibility more.
I would be very interested to see any pics you have of the gun, and of course of your copy of it.

Thank you.

 

[SOLANCO]

Beech has been used extensively in tools. Chisel handles, mallets, plane bodies and such. No reason it should not stand up to gunstock use.

 

[Brokennock]

Beech has been used extensively in tools. Chisel handles, mallets, plane bodies and such. No reason it should not stand up to gunstock use.

It is often used in lower end stocks on modern guns today, also was used then on certain trade guns, including the Type-G. Seems to make for an excellent stock, structurally, it just isn't that pretty.
Beech is the girl you marry, she can cook, raise kids, grow and can vegetables, work with some livestock like chickens, handle the household when you're away, pretty in a plain way...... Curly maple, fiddleback maple, birdseye maple, other curly woods, are the girl you show off at the bar or party with, until you realize everyone else is trying to handle her too.




I'm sure that offended somebody, lol.
Relax, it actually works both ways, I know men who fall into the curly maple category too, and know many beech women who have fallen for them,,,, lol.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

I said birch, not beech. Although in those pictures I might consider maple as well. At any rate, it's one of my favorite old guns.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Here's my version. I can't say I like the box I put on this rifle.
tulip rifle

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

I remember that being a very close copy....obviously it's not. They say the first thing to go is the mind.
That was built more than 13 years ago. I bought the stock blank at Friendship from Dick Miller on the back porch of gunmaker's hall. Harder than woodpecker lips. LOL....

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

I have the Tulip rifle mixed up with another gun in Shumways's book. There is one in there that is obviously birch. I'll have to go out and find the book in my shop. I'll report back later.

 

[Brokennock]

I said birch, not beech. Although in those pictures I might consider maple as well. At any rate, it's one of my favorite old guns.

Sorry, my bad. Don't we still see birch used on some .22 caliber rifles, amd maybe some lower end double barrel shotguns?

 

[Brokennock]

Here's my version. I can't say I like the box I put on this rifle.
tulip rifle

Wow!!!!!
That is freaking beautiful.
I like the patchbox, very sleek.
I'm not crazy about the more jaeger style trigger guard,,, but I like the jaeger style double set triggers. I have those on one of my guns and love them. Normally I prefer a simple single trigger, but that set up feels so natural.
That piece of wood is stunning and the finish is amazing.
The carving is spot on too.

Thank you very much for sharing.