Redmoon
40 Cal
Id be interested in the info on his work i had already found the serial number sheet on dixie. Thank you though.
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dpavelock
32 Cal
Not sure what you are asking - are you asking me to provide more info to you about the flintlock or Southgate History?
If you google R. Southgate there is a lot of info published
If you google R. Southgate there is a lot of info published
Eddie Southgate
36 Cal.
That would be a matter of opinion . I would also prefer it facing the other direction if it has a nice flat face but many may prefer it facing the other way . I have seen both on newly built rifles so it would be difficult to prove that one is correct and the other is not .
I have a saw handle target pistol made the same year for my grandfather , Royland's older brother . The barrel looks to have a fair amount of pitting in the picture , is that the case ? What is the caliber and condition of the bore ?
Eddie
dpavelock
32 Cal
Thanks for the info. I actually like the site as it is too! Not sure what the caliber is, note is nice and clean, I don’t think this gun got much use. The barrel does have some pitting not really like rust but maybe what happens over years of not caring for it as should. When I got it I cleaned with solvent and have been keeping the bore lubricated
Eddie Southgate
36 Cal.
There are several threads on his rifles on this board that you might want to look at . Several of them are on the first page of this section but the older ones you might have to dig a bit for . Click on my user name and look at my content and you should be able to find an older thread with links to completed auctions . I also posted a link to that thread in one of the current threads . I would love to buy one of his rifles but I unexpectedly retired recently and SS has not kicked in and I have not found a retirement play money job yet . Might have to try to sell some modern stuff I don't need .
dpavelock
32 Cal
Ok I’ll do that. Thanks
Wasn't a brother blinded by an accidental powder explosion in the mid 1960 \/ I used to see him at Charlie Haffner's shoots.
Pete G
76 Cal.
re: sight orientation
It is not opinion; there are hundreds of published photographs of original rifles and they all show sights with slope forward.
It is not opinion; there are hundreds of published photographs of original rifles and they all show sights with slope forward.
dpavelock
32 Cal
Thanks. I was pretty confident this gun was never modified
Pete G
76 Cal.
May not have been modified, but sight is still backwards.
Eddie Southgate
36 Cal.
That was my grandfather , Bailey Wright Southgate . He was called BW or Colonel by most folks that knew him. He was Royland's older brother by about 5 years . I used to shoot with him and Roy Roberts at Owl Hollow and at the range by the Red River in Adams Tennessee in the 70's .
Eddie Southgate
36 Cal.
Actually , in my opinion it has two non original parts . The tang bolt he would have never used , not really sure the lock bolt is original to the rifle either . Both are not the type of bolt head he would have used . He had a screw machine and made his own so would have used the correct style of head on the bolts for that rifle . Neither bolt looks right to me . The hammer also has to be a replacement . He made his lock plates and hammers as well as the screws , pins, springs , triggers , and all the brass or silver inlays . That hammer looks like one of the generic hammers that Turner sold in the Dixie catalog .
Can't really be sure, but is there a second crack in the butt , through the incised carving ?
Eddie
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I had the privilege of knowing both Royland and Baily when I lived in Nashville in the 70's. I currently have a pistol that Baily made after he was blinded at the WENO ranch. It is pictured in another post.
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DO HOMEWORK! A Southgate is worth much more than that range!! Don't get taken!!
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Placing a fine gun in a good auction is also a possibility. You recall the Dixie catalog always mentions Royland's name as one of the fine makers, examples of which they sometimes have in stock. Resist a quick sale, maximize your investment .
dpavelock
32 Cal
I’m surprised. So what you are saying you believe this gun may be of higher value than that
Range? I can’t seem to find any completed auctions that show this - I trying to do more research but may auction off on this site once my two weeks are complete since registering - around the 18th
BW and a guy we called Blue Spot Bill used to come to Owl hollow in the 1970's. We had great fun! BW was a neat guy to talk with!!
I had a R Southgate that was numbered in the 600's I think. I sold it to Charlie Haffner.
Eddie Southgate
36 Cal.
Show me proof of your statement . Can you show any auction results from the last ten years that back that up ? Being blood kin and having grown up around him I would like to think his stuff was high art and worth big dollars but it seems that $900 is a big auction price for one now days . That one was nicely striped , the two I have seen on here the last few months are about as plain as to grain as Maple could get and one has replaced parts and a crack ( cracks ? ) in the stock . Maybe you should do your homework .
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