Parkerizing

[BozoMiller]

Anyone use a parkerized finish on the small parts, sights, trigger guard, screws, etc? I know it was used on a lot of metal years ago. Just asking

 

[hawkeye2]

It is not authentic for the time period and the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America was set up in 1915. The process didn't see much use till WW2

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

Yes ... waaaaaay off-topic for these forums, as parkerizing only works on steel and early arms were iron. The 1st issued US military arm to use steel barrels was the Hall breech-loading rifle from the Harper's Ferry Armory, in the later years (post 1840 ...).

 

[BozoMiller]

It is not authentic for the time period and the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America was set up in 1915. The process didn't see much use till WW2

i knew that the Colt 1911's were parkerized during WW2, plus HD did a lot of parkerizing on their motorcycles during the 20's and 30's, so that explained a lot. Thank you.

 

[necchi]

Anyone use a parkerized finish on the small parts

nope.

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

Parkerizing was invented during World War 1.

It is not fitting on any firearm this forum is concerned with. Looks neat on a Garand or M1911A1, not so much on a Kentucky longrifle or Brown Bess.

 

[TreeMan]

There is gonna be more talk about modern finishes on this forum eventually. The traditions mountain rifle and most if not all of Pedersolis with browned barrels and hardware are all some sort of brown powder coating or cerakote brown finish now. My Pedersoli trade gun is finished with it. Won’t take long for others to follow. Whatever the stuff is Pedersoli is using now is much better than that painted brown finish that they used to use. That stuff would scratch off with a fingernail.

 

[necchi]

The traditions mountain rifle and most if not all of Pedersolis with browned barrels and hardware are all some sort of brown powder coating or cerakote brown finish now.

B. S. !
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[TreeMan]

B. S. !
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You’re welcome. Have a nice day.

 

[Ninering62]

It is not authentic for the time period and the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America was set up in 1915. The process didn't see much use till WW2

BC its not " period correct " is NOT any reason that its not a great idea to utilize now. I'm having my sidelock projects Nitrided - EVERYTHING! Screw - period correct.

 

[Whughett]

It is not authentic for the time period and the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America was set up in 1915. The process didn't see much use till WW2

1851
Bessemer steel. Bulk steel production was made possible by Henry Bessemer in 1855, when he obtained British patents for a pneumatic steelmaking process. (A similar process is said to have been used in the United States by William Kelly in 1851, but it was not patented until 1857.)
Encyclopedia Britannica › History
steel

Would have been around, the general cut off date for THIS FORUM is 1865.

 

[hawkeye2]

Yes I know when the cut off date for this forum is as well as the history of steel. Parkerizing was patented 4 years after that cutoff date so it's very unlikely it would be originally found on any firearm built during this period.

"Parkerizing is a metal finishing process that was first developed by British inventors William Alexander Ross (British patent 3119) who filed a patent in 1869 and Thomas Cosslett (British patent 8667) in 1906. Cosslett was also granted a US patent for the process in 1907. This patent was based on an iron phosphating process using phosphoric acid. In 1912 an improved patent was filed in the US, based on the British iron phosphating process and issued to Frank Rupert Granville Richards. American, Clark Parker acquired the patents from Cosslett and Richards as he experimented with the process in the family kitchen."

"In 1915, Parker, along with his son Wyman, started the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America. In 1919, R. D. Colquhoun, of the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America, filed another upgraded phosphating patent application. The patented improved manganese phosphating technique was called Parkerizing."

Above from Chevy Hardcore News.

There is nothing to stop anyone from Parkerizing any or all of any firearm so long as he does not try to present it as being correct from our time period. Actually it's a very good finish as it retains oil applied to it for even more rust protection and using it on any gun in a non historical situation makes a lot of sense.

As an aside back in the 1960s I acquired most of the inventory of an old motorcycle repair shop including a lot of NOS Indian and HD parts. I had original shift levers for the WLA which were parkerized and with a black bakelite knob.

 

[Whughett]

Yes I know when the cut off date for this forum is as well as the history of steel. Parkerizing was patented 4 years after that cutoff date so it's very unlikely it would be originally found on any firearm built during this period.

"Parkerizing is a metal finishing process that was first developed by British inventors William Alexander Ross (British patent 3119) who filed a patent in 1869 and Thomas Cosslett (British patent 8667) in 1906. Cosslett was also granted a US patent for the process in 1907. This patent was based on an iron phosphating process using phosphoric acid. In 1912 an improved patent was filed in the US, based on the British iron phosphating process and issued to Frank Rupert Granville Richards. American, Clark Parker acquired the patents from Cosslett and Richards as he experimented with the process in the family kitchen."

"In 1915, Parker, along with his son Wyman, started the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America. In 1919, R. D. Colquhoun, of the Parker Rust-Proof Phosphating Company of America, filed another upgraded phosphating patent application. The patented improved manganese phosphating technique was called Parkerizing."

Above from Chevy Hardcore News.

There is nothing to stop anyone from Parkerizing any or all of any firearm so long as he does not try to present it as being correct from our time period. Actually it's a very good finish as it retains oil applied to it for even more rust protection and using it on any gun in a non historical situation makes a lot of sense.

My bad. Wrong quote. Intended for a quote response to post 3.

 

[Archer 756]

Flint62Smoothie I think you need to do some looking up what STEEL is and what IRON is.

 

[hawkeye2]

Remington began making steel barrels in the 1840s. Their barrels were stamped CAST STEEL. Only the very best quality steel, at that time, was suitable for casting.

 

[Whughett]

Remington began making steel barrels in the 1840s. Their barrels were stamped CAST STEEL. Only the very best quality steel, at that time, was suitable for casting.

Isn’t all steel cast.? It’s then forged or rolled into a finished product. . Just guessing.

 

[hawkeye2]

Referring to being cast into its final form like a blank for a barrel.