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Johnson 1836 Conversion Pistol
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Fernando Keilty
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Hello:
I'm no expert on U.S. arms, but I think a conversion made ”‹”‹in a factory official as Springfield, the design of the hammer.
The carriage of the stick, is reversed.
Affectionately. Fernando K
(Sorry for the translator)
I'm no expert on U.S. arms, but I think a conversion made ”‹”‹in a factory official as Springfield, the design of the hammer.
The carriage of the stick, is reversed.
Affectionately. Fernando K
(Sorry for the translator)
Supposedly this "R. Johnson" conversion .54 caliber was manufactured by Robert Johnson, Middletown, Ct. in 1836 - the first year that these pistols were converted by the manufacturer.
This Model 1836 flintlock pistol was converted to percussion using the 2nd type of Belgian conversion.
This model was manufactured from 1836-1844 with 18,000 being made by Johnson with a smaller number converted as opposed to flintlock during the 1850's.
This Model 1836 flintlock pistol was converted to percussion using the 2nd type of Belgian conversion.
This model was manufactured from 1836-1844 with 18,000 being made by Johnson with a smaller number converted as opposed to flintlock during the 1850's.
I decided to bid on this pistol. Got up to $900 and still didn’t meet the reserve. I was all in so I moved on to other bids. After the auction was over, the seller sent me a personal email asking if I still wanted the pistol for $900. I declined since I was already bidding on other guns, but I told him I would be interested at $750.
He sent me this response, “Stop playing games and bid on other people's auctions”. Then told the auction company that I was a bidder who “intentionally overbid to exclude other bidders then try to get items at lower prices”.
I asked the seller how is this even possible when the reserve wasn’t met??? I reminded him that he contacted me. I got no answer.
So now the gun is relisted and guess what the price is? $750!!!!
I’ll never understand the antique gun market. Customer satisfaction is nonexistent. They act like they’re doing you a favor by letting you buy something from them. Now no one tell me to go the pistol at the new price. I wouldn’t deal with guy if we halved the price.
He sent me this response, “Stop playing games and bid on other people's auctions”. Then told the auction company that I was a bidder who “intentionally overbid to exclude other bidders then try to get items at lower prices”.
I asked the seller how is this even possible when the reserve wasn’t met??? I reminded him that he contacted me. I got no answer.
So now the gun is relisted and guess what the price is? $750!!!!
I’ll never understand the antique gun market. Customer satisfaction is nonexistent. They act like they’re doing you a favor by letting you buy something from them. Now no one tell me to go the pistol at the new price. I wouldn’t deal with guy if we halved the price.
satwel
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Please be careful. The scenario you described is a popular scam. Losing bidders to online auctions are contacted after the auction ends by someone who is supposedly the original seller. They say the deal with the winner fell through and if you still want the item, send in your money. You can guess the rest. It happened to a person with whom I work.
At no cost would I deal with an unscrupulous vendor such as that.
When dealing with vendors you are not sure of, ask for more pictures of the item, especially one with them holding it.
Especially ask for a picture that is not ordinary.
That is to verify that it actually exists.
I've been scammed.
Fred
When dealing with vendors you are not sure of, ask for more pictures of the item, especially one with them holding it.
Especially ask for a picture that is not ordinary.
That is to verify that it actually exists.
I've been scammed.
Fred
I appreciate the feedback. I've given up the antique gun market. Too many scams and poor sellers. You're not even safe going thru a big auction house. They sell guns they've never seen based on the sellers "word".
If these guys had to run a regular business they'd be bankrupt in a week, or arrested for fraud.
If these guys had to run a regular business they'd be bankrupt in a week, or arrested for fraud.
zimmerstutzen
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What the vendor did borders on harassment/blackmail.
The 2nd quarter 19th century US martial pistols are a largely unloved lot, despite the high prices they seem to bring. I had an Ashton years ago with a broken grip stock. I did indeed buy it on a street corner in Washington DC for $50 back around 1981. I didn't realize how easy it would be to fix, so I hauled it to the Baltimore Antique Arms show and thought I made a killing when Lee Kirkland bought it for $150.
I have thought about getting the Italians or Spanish to run off 200 copies of an Ashton or one of the others, but the guns and history of 1830 to 1860 just don't seem to have much of a following outside of Texas. I would do what Garrett Arms tried in the early 1980's and have them made so parts would interchange with originals.
The 2nd quarter 19th century US martial pistols are a largely unloved lot, despite the high prices they seem to bring. I had an Ashton years ago with a broken grip stock. I did indeed buy it on a street corner in Washington DC for $50 back around 1981. I didn't realize how easy it would be to fix, so I hauled it to the Baltimore Antique Arms show and thought I made a killing when Lee Kirkland bought it for $150.
I have thought about getting the Italians or Spanish to run off 200 copies of an Ashton or one of the others, but the guns and history of 1830 to 1860 just don't seem to have much of a following outside of Texas. I would do what Garrett Arms tried in the early 1980's and have them made so parts would interchange with originals.
The seller was Hansen and Hansen. I'll never do any business with them again. I asked Gunbroker to stop listing their guns.
The ones I've seen on line are way over priced. They don't sell and keep getting relisted. Sellers won't even consider a realistic price.
I'd love to find a repro of both the original flint model and the converted percussion.
The ones I've seen on line are way over priced. They don't sell and keep getting relisted. Sellers won't even consider a realistic price.
I'd love to find a repro of both the original flint model and the converted percussion.
Ya, a lot of people are really proud of their "stuff".
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