Help Identify Pistols

[superdeluxe]

 

[superdeluxe]

Some more pics. I picked these up at a Indian artifact auction but don't know much about them. The matched pair look to have been originally flintlocks. The flintlock has a brass lock which I haven't seen before. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Trent

 

[54ball]

The flintlock with the brass plate is a pretty nice contemporary IE "recently made" piece. It does look to be a fully functional arm of very good quality.

The percussion pistols look Turkish or Eastern European. They look legit, meaning they look like real fire arms. IHMO neither of the percussion were ever flintlocks.

 

[superdeluxe]

Thanks for the response! I wasn't sure if the flintlock was original or not (was listed as original on auction bill). Here are some more pics of it.
Thanks, Trent

 

[curator]

Flint lock pistol looks suspiciously like a Hacker Martin or one of his student/contemporaries work. H. Martin was a gunsmith from Tennessee who was making replica muzzle loading pistol and rifles from about 1940 to about 1970. I believe he made John Wayne's (Davy Crockett) Alamo rifle. His shop was noted for brass plate flint lock and percussion pistols. I have two of them and they share multiple characteristics with the flint lock pistol noted here.

 

[Zonie]

I can't say I've seen a newly made flintlock that is that rusty and abused inside.

The rust and condition of the screw head slots indicate to me that it is indeed at least 100+ years old.

If it is newly made, the builder went to great lengths to make the inner area of the lock (and the rest of the pistol) look authentic.

 

[Fernando Keilty]

Hello

Oxide in the presence of the parties does not mean old. There are methods to oxidize any piece of steel, so that the piece looks old. Same for the mistreatment of screw heads. I seem to see (because the photographs are incomplete) that the mainspring has been modified (grinding) in the upper arm and the upper jaw is constructed of a plate material, delando the flat upper face. Same for the situation of rising, very advanced.

Affectionately. Fernando K

 

[superdeluxe]

I removed the barrel from the stock (took some doing) and took some more pictures. The barrel underlug looks to be brazed to the barrel which would have to be done recently right? Also it uses a wood screw for the tang bolt instead of a bolt threading into the trigger guard. The wood appears to be really old as does the metal parts but the way the underlug was installed seems odd.
Thanks, Trent

 

[Fernando Keilty]

Hello
Another method to determine whether a piece is authenticated, the threaded lock screws, screw If steps coincide with standard screws are metric or Whitworth, is to be suspicious. The old screws were not standardized
Fernando k

 

[Tinker2]

Flint lock pistol looks suspiciously like a Hacker Martin or one of his student/contemporaries work.

Now that you mention that, you may be right.
The very few that I have seen were somewhat reminiscent of that one



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William Alexander