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WRussell

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How about posting duelling stories? They are scattered in various books and magazines, and I'm sure there are many I've not seen.

Here's one of my favorites:
A British gent, well known as a fine shot, commonly practiced with his Manton flinters by popping swallows in flight. This with a ball, not shot.

He apparently offended some idiot who felt he could stand up to him in a duel.

When the hankie fell, the gent deliberately fired into the air, to signify that he wished to acknowledge his opponent's nerve and end the affair without bloodshed.

The opponent could not shoot without hanging for murder, but he insisted on another go, this time for real.

When the hankie fell, the gent shot his opponent - hitting one of his jacket's brass buttons!

End of contest, no blood spilled.

:shocking:
 
Other than the two French lads who really did duel it out in hot air balloons over a lady from the "theater", I'd have to go with the two who duelled it out in a dark room at night. Guy #1 felt his way around the room till he found the fireplace and since he didn't want to run the risk of damaging any of his prized furniture and fired up the chimney. BOOM!...THUD!!...guy #2 was hiding up the chimney!! Oops! :winking:
 
I'd have to go with the two who duelled it out in a dark room at night. Guy #1 felt his way around the room till he found the fireplace and since he didn't want to run the risk of damaging any of his prized furniture and fired up the chimney. BOOM!...THUD!!...guy #2 was hiding up the chimney!! Oops!

I hadn't heard that particular one, but its a type of german duel called the "cuckoo duel". In the book I have, both have loaded revolvers, and both have to call out "cuckoo" at intervals until one is shot. I don't think shooting between calls is permitted, but the author calls it "the most murderous form of duelling ever invented".

I think the duel with rifles that was fought by two US senators was probably even more unsporting. They started at 200 paces apart and advanced on each other firing unlimited shots at their own will.
 
"Code Duello", originating in 1777:

Code Duello: The Rules of Dueling

Reprinted from "American Duels and Hostile Encounters," Chilton Books, 1963.

The Code Duello, covering the practice of dueling and points of honor, was drawn up and settled at Clonmel Summer Assizes, 1777, by gentlemen-delegates of Tipperary, Galway, Sligo, Mayo and Roscommon, and prescribed for general adoption throughout Ireland. The Code was generally also followed in England and on the Continent with some slight variations. In America, the principal rules were followed, although occasionally there were some glaring deviations.



Rule 1. The first offense requires the first apology, though the retort may have been more offensive than the insult. Example: A tells B he is impertinent, etc. B retorts that he lies; yet A must make the first apology because he gave the first offense, and then (after one fire) B may explain away the retort by a subsequent apology.

Rule 2. But if the parties would rather fight on, then after two shots each (but in no case before), B may explain first, and A apologize afterward.

N.B. The above rules apply to all cases of offenses in retort not of stronger class than the example.

Rule 3. If a doubt exist who gave the first offense, the decision rests with the seconds; if they won't decide, or can't agree, the matter must proceed to two shots, or to a hit, if the challenger require it.

Rule 4. When the lie direct is the first offense, the aggressor must either beg pardon in express terms; exchange two shots previous to apology; or three shots followed up by explanation; or fire on till a severe hit be received by one party or the other.

Rule 5. As a blow is strictly prohibited under any circumstances among gentlemen, no verbal apology can be received for such an insult. The alternatives, therefore -- the offender handing a cane to the injured party, to be used on his own back, at the same time begging pardon; firing on until one or both are disabled; or exchanging three shots, and then asking pardon without proffer of the cane.

If swords are used, the parties engage until one is well blooded, disabled, or disarmed; or until, after receiving a wound, and blood being drawn, the aggressor begs pardon.

N.B. A disarm is considered the same as a disable. The disarmer may (strictly) break his adversary's sword; but if it be the challenger who is disarmed, it is considered as ungenerous to do so.

In the case the challenged be disarmed and refuses to ask pardon or atone, he must not be killed, as formerly; but the challenger may lay his own sword on the aggressor's shoulder, then break the aggressor's sword and say, "I spare your life!" The challenged can never revive the quarrel -- the challenger may.

Rule 6. If A gives B the lie, and B retorts by a blow (being the two greatest offenses), no reconciliation can take place till after two discharges each, or a severe hit; after which B may beg A's pardon humbly for the blow and then A may explain simply for the lie; because a blow is never allowable, and the offense of the lie, therefore, merges in it. (See preceding rules.)

N.B. Challenges for undivulged causes may be reconciled on the ground, after one shot. An explanation or the slightest hit should be sufficient in such cases, because no personal offense transpired.

Rule 7. But no apology can be received, in any case, after the parties have actually taken ground, without exchange of fires.

Rule 8. In the above case, no challenger is obliged to divulge his cause of challenge (if private) unless required by the challenged so to do before their meeting.

Rule 9. All imputations of cheating at play, races, etc., to be considered equivalent to a blow; but may be reconciled after one shot, on admitting their falsehood and begging pardon publicly.

Rule 10. Any insult to a lady under a gentleman's care or protection to be considered as, by one degree, a greater offense than if given to the gentleman personally, and to be regulated accordingly.

Rule 11. Offenses originating or accruing from the support of ladies' reputations, to be considered as less unjustifiable than any others of the same class, and as admitting of slighter apologies by the aggressor: this to be determined by the circumstances of the case, but always favorable to the lady.

Rule 12. In simple, unpremeditated recontres with the smallsword, or couteau de chasse, the rule is -- first draw, first sheath, unless blood is drawn; then both sheath, and proceed to investigation.

Rule 13. No dumb shooting or firing in the air is admissible in any case. The challenger ought not to have challenged without receiving offense; and the challenged ought, if he gave offense, to have made an apology before he came on the ground; therefore, children's play must be dishonorable on one side or the other, and is accordingly prohibited.

Rule 14. Seconds to be of equal rank in society with the principals they attend, inasmuch as a second may either choose or chance to become a principal, and equality is indispensible.

Rule 15. Challenges are never to be delivered at night, unless the party to be challenged intend leaving the place of offense before morning; for it is desirable to avoid all hot-headed proceedings.

Rule 16. The challenged has the right to choose his own weapon, unless the challenger gives his honor he is no swordsman; after which, however, he can decline any second species of weapon proposed by the challenged.

Rule 17. The challenged chooses his ground; the challenger chooses his distance; the seconds fix the time and terms of firing.

Rule 18. The seconds load in presence of each other, unless they give their mutual honors they have charged smooth and single, which should be held sufficient.

Rule 19. Firing may be regulated -- first by signal; secondly, by word of command; or thirdly, at pleasure -- as may be agreeable to the parties. In the latter case, the parties may fire at their reasonable leisure, but second presents and rests are strictly prohibited.

Rule 20. In all cases a miss-fire is equivalent to a shot, and a snap or non-cock is to be considered as a miss-fire.

Rule 21. Seconds are bound to attempt a reconciliation before the meeting takes place, or after sufficient firing or hits, as specified.

Rule 22. Any wound sufficient to agitate the nerves and necessarily make the hand shake, must end the business for that day.

Rule 23. If the cause of the meeting be of such a nature that no apology or explanation can or will be received, the challenged takes his ground, and calls on the challenger to proceed as he chooses; in such cases, firing at pleasure is the usual practice, but may be varied by agreement.

Rule 24. In slight cases, the second hands his principal but one pistol; but in gross cases, two, holding another case ready charged in reserve.

Rule 25. Where seconds disagree, and resolve to exchange shots themselves, it must be at the same time and at right angles with their principals, thus:

If with swords, side by side, with five paces interval.

Source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/duel/sfeature/rulesofdueling.html
 
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it strange that there is a giant list of rules about how to go about shooting someone else?

Of course, by the time my neighborhood was populated by white people, they had not only burned the rule book, but they had scattered the ashes.
Unlike TV and the Movies would want us to believe, most of the Western "gunfights" envolved someone shooting someone else in the back or "bushwhacking" them outside of town.


Just as a side note:
We do not allow dualing between members on the Muzzleloading Forum no matter what someone called someone else or how badly someone disagreed with a post. :: :crackup:
 
Zonie, what if we do like the french and use the wax bullets? :crackup:

Wonder what that would feel like? Similar to a paintball maybe? :eek:
 
I often wondered about that. Add a fencing mask, a reduced charge, and maybe a plastron with cup and it might be a lot of fun. Has anyone tried shooting a wax ball in a muzzleloaded?
 
i have loaded wax bullits in 4570 cases no powder and just the primer,,,,fun for close range,,,,dont know if a percusion cap would work with out powder,,,, :results:
 
This sounds like a great sport! Two men (you know it would start with men) facing each other in the clothing of ante bellum gentlemen. But wearing paintball masks and cups. Each with a flintlock pistol loaded with a wax ball and 2.5 grains of FFFg. Before the shots there would be ceremonial insults (Suh, I deplore your low insinuations!). They fire and one (or both) is hit in a mortal area. After the match all hands retire to drink bourbon together. It is paintball fot fifty-year-olds.

I would love to see a great drooping white moustache hanging below the paintball mask.

Women in hoop skirts would come later, after they saw what fun it was.
 
I prefer crown and coke.






































:relax: :kid:

BTW, this would be great in my AP history class to do "for the education of the children" :crackup:
 
This sounds like a great sport! Two men (you know it would start with men) facing each other in the clothing of ante bellum gentlemen. But wearing paintball masks and cups. Each with a flintlock pistol loaded with a wax ball and 2.5 grains of FFFg. Before the shots there would be ceremonial insults (Suh, I deplore your low insinuations!). They fire and one (or both) is hit in a mortal area. After the match all hands retire to drink bourbon together. It is paintball fot fifty-year-olds.

I would love to see a great drooping white moustache hanging below the paintball mask.

Women in hoop skirts would come later, after they saw what fun it was.
Ok my Family has always sed I was a nut .Yes I shoot up old cars with assult rifles,Yes me and other Adults shoot eachother with spud guns built to shoot tennis balls ,bit I just think it would relly hert to get shot with a wax ball out of a ML !But I look forward to reading about any experiments that take place .
 
London Evening News July 12, 1873 ::

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Duelling is not dead.

My oldest brother had a fencing coach at King's College (I am pretty sure it was at King's) that engaged in a sword duel.

I am not aware of all the details, however, His coach got shanked in the right eye. Not to mention blindness in one eye, He sustained partial paralysis of His left side.

I am sorry to ruin your day, Squire Robin, but the coach was not British, but Ukranian, like myself.

It does seem that us Eastern Europe types are about a century or three behind the times! ::
 
I read once that Abe Loncoln was challenged to a duel, the weapons he chose were cow paddies at 40 paces - or something like that
 
3 stinky dogs, unless your shooting a select fire rifle in a medium-high-powered round you aren't shooting an assault rifle at all. :nono: assault rifle=bad press=more of my precious mil-surplus rifles being banned! :boohoo:

BTW, got instructions on a tennisball gun? I am playing paintball with some friends this weekend. :hmm:
 
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