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Does anyone have info on the type of brown bess hand mortars pictured below with a discharger cup made with a bayonet socket? When were they in use and by who?
 

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Used by grenadiers and some artillary units. They are not pleasant to use. They are fired with the but on the ground to take recoil. Not fired from the shoulder.

There was also a grenade cup that was attached to the musket using the bayonet lug. This too was fired with the butt of the musket on the ground.

Used during the Seven Years War, the AWI and into the Napoleonic wars.
 
Hi,
None of the examples of which I've seen photos and descriptions were made after the French and Indian War. Most predate that war as well. According to Bailey in his book on British small arms used in North America, they were fired from the shoulder and had ranges up to 250 yards. They were used on land and on ships.

dave
 
It is true that the musket mounted grenade launchers were superceded by artillary mortars which were more effective. When we had some reproduced musket based grenade launchers, we did fire them from the shoulder and can confirm that the recoil is brutal. We did severely damage a musket with a grenade launcher attachment that was not properly fit to rest on the muzzle, not the bayonet lug. The recoil tore off the bayonet lug and splintered the fore end.
 
It is true that the musket mounted grenade launchers were superceded by artillary mortars which were more effective. When we had some reproduced musket based grenade launchers, we did fire them from the shoulder and can confirm that the recoil is brutal. We did severely damage a musket with a grenade launcher attachment that was not properly fit to rest on the muzzle, not the bayonet lug. The recoil tore off the bayonet lug and splintered the fore end.
Did you guys have the guns fitted with a reinforcing ring on the barrel? All the originals I’ve seen pictures of have ring mounted on the barrel to support the discharger cup socket and prevent just such an incident.
 
There are uppers for black unmentionables to launch golf balls or larger bored ones for tennis balls or coke cans.
These are shoulder fired or held under the arm.
Using standard GI issue blank rounds.
Doubt that there is a big enough market in the BP world to develop such.
 
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