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Bought a pieta 1858 Remington. Looking for some load data and answers.

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I’ve been carrying since the mid 1970s, but from what you are posting, appears there is much I can learn.

For concealed carry, I consider the 58, even one with a 5-1/2 barrel, on the large size. I would love to see the rig you use. I have a number of 58s in a variety of flavors, and know that one with a 5-1/2” barrel weighs in at over 2.5 pounds (40.4 oz) empty. It’s about 11.50” long, 5.75” high and about 1.62” wide….

My personal everyday carry choices are an 8.3 oz (.52 pounds) pocket pistol that’s 5.2” long, 3.5” high and .77” wide. It holds 6+1 and easily disappears in a pocket (an empty 58 percussion cylinder at 10.4 oz (.65 lbs) weighs more than this option). My ‘larger’ option comes in at 18.5 oz (<1.2 pounds). 5.8” long, 4.3” high and 1” wide. It’s 10+1.

I am not disputing the effectiveness of a 58 in 44/45 caliber that goes off. I just question how one would easily carry and conceal it. Maybe open carry? Now if one is working around legal restrictions, that’s a different story, but that doesn’t seem to be your argument, or has something been missed? Legal ramifications would not change if one uses a ‘modern’ handgun or a percussion revolver if used negligently.

Please show us your concealed carry rig for your 58 with a 5-1/2” barrel.
Nothing to do with negligence I just can't carry a "real gun" bc I'm 18 and I don't want to try my luck carrying my Glock. I appendix carry with just my belt for temporary it sounds crude but i could run with it staying in place and it disappears completely. And I 100% agree it's on the large side for conceal carry and not convenient but well worth it if I ever need it. I mostly have it for a car gun. But can conceal if I need.
 
I’ve been carrying since the mid 1970s, but from what you are posting, appears there is much I can learn.

For concealed carry, I consider the 58, even one with a 5-1/2 barrel, on the large size. I would love to see the rig you use. I have a number of 58s in a variety of flavors, and know that one with a 5-1/2” barrel weighs in at over 2.5 pounds (40.4 oz) empty. It’s about 11.50” long, 5.75” high and about 1.62” wide….

My personal everyday carry choices are an 8.3 oz (.52 pounds) pocket pistol that’s 5.2” long, 3.5” high and .77” wide. It holds 6+1 and easily disappears in a pocket (an empty 58 percussion cylinder at 10.4 oz (.65 lbs) weighs more than this option). My ‘larger’ option comes in at 18.5 oz (<1.2 pounds). 5.8” long, 4.3” high and 1” wide. It’s 10+1.

I am not disputing the effectiveness of a 58 in 44/45 caliber that goes off. I just question how one would easily carry and conceal it. Maybe open carry? Now if one is working around legal restrictions, that’s a different story, but that doesn’t seem to be your argument, or has something been missed? Legal ramifications would not change if one uses a ‘modern’ handgun or a percussion revolver if used negligently.

Please show us your concealed carry rig for your 58 with a 5-1/2” barrel.
And to further explain why I carry cap and ball instead of modern guns. At 18 it is now legal to carry a pistol in Texas. You can get a concealed carry permit. Because of the person I live with cannot legally own a fire arm I don't want to bring a gun in the house or go through any background checks for fear of getting them in trouble. So I carry cap and ball because people bared from having a gun can still own cap and ball revolvers. Secondly the law is a bit new and not everyone knows about it or accepts it. I could get caught up arrested and charged before someone realizing it's legal for me to carry. Then I have to do some time in jail and go to court.
 
And to further explain why I carry cap and ball instead of modern guns. At 18 it is now legal to carry a pistol in Texas. You can get a concealed carry permit. Because of the person I live with cannot legally own a fire arm I don't want to bring a gun in the house or go through any background checks for fear of getting them in trouble. So I carry cap and ball because people bared from having a gun can still own cap and ball revolvers. Secondly the law is a bit new and not everyone knows about it or accepts it. I could get caught up arrested and charged before someone realizing it's legal for me to carry. Then I have to do some time in jail and go to court.
So - is your interest in Black Powder shooting based on using it as a stopgap until you can carry more modern guns without legal repercussions, or do you have a historical interest, with a view to, say, developing it and maybe acquiring a percussion or flintlock rifle? I'm not being snarky with this comment by the way - I think its great when anyone under the age of 30 gets into this. I would say that using loads exceeding 30 grains makes me raise my eyebrows - the accuracy must be adversely effected as well as much of the powder being wasted as it burns in the big muzzle flash.
 
carrying directly in your belt is not a good idea. just ask the many folks over the years who have shot themselves. some kind of holster is in order. i will say that I did the same thing when I was a kid and somehow got away with it... live and learn if you are lucky.
 
I don't see a problem with it if it is the best tool for the job that you have available as long as it is legal and done safely.

A 44 ball is probably a better performer than say a modern .380. My biggest worry would be for the potential for cap jams. Obviously the size of these guns are not conducive to open carry and not concealed carry but that is just a comfort thing. With the right clothing and leather it can be done.

One of the smaller caliber Colts that they actually carried back in the day would be much easier to carry but I do not think many folks these day would be comfortable with the performance of a ball in those calibers.
 
I think what you are doing is understandable. For your age and legal restrictions, it makes sense. Some who are lucky enough to live in a state/situation where they can easily carry a modern firearm sometimes find it hard to believe that anyone else would do differently.

What I am wondering is how the 1858 Sheriff model would compare to the 1858 Ace. I am curious the difference in ballistics.
 
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barrel length is not the limiting factor in both concealability and weight. the bulk of the revolver is usually the grip and frame. its easy to hide the barrel. i don't sacrifice velocity and accuracy over barrel length within reason. that extra 2.5 inches of barrel make a huge velocity difference.
 
So - is your interest in Black Powder shooting based on using it as a stopgap until you can carry more modern guns without legal repercussions, or do you have a historical interest, with a view to, say, developing it and maybe acquiring a percussion or flintlock rifle? I'm not being snarky with this comment by the way - I think its great when anyone under the age of 30 gets into this. I would say that using loads exceeding 30 grains makes me raise my eyebrows - the accuracy must be adversely effected as well as much of the powder being wasted as it burns in the big muzzle flash.
I own 2 cap and ball 3 Hawkins tc 2 flinters and killed my first deer with a Hawkins. Its more than a passing interest I love black powder the history and everything else about it besides maybe cleaning. And accuracy at 15 yards won't be affected enough to matter. As Paul Harrels says "is that enough difference to make a difference"? I don't think so.
 
Personally not a fan of just tucking a handgun into the waistband except as a last resort. Too many things that can go wrong in my opinion. Have you looked at what Urban Carry offers? You would have to confirm with them if one of their models would work with a 58.
https://urbancarryholsters.com/concealed-carry-holsters-that-truly-conceal/
I almost never carry it on my person only times I do it going from my house to my car so I can't justify a holster. If I'm carrying in the woods I have a nice cowboy style holster. But thanks for the recommendation I'll definitely check it out.
 
So - is your interest in Black Powder shooting based on using it as a stopgap until you can carry more modern guns without legal repercussions, or do you have a historical interest, with a view to, say, developing it and maybe acquiring a percussion or flintlock rifle? I'm not being snarky with this comment by the way - I think its great when anyone under the age of 30 gets into this. I would say that using loads exceeding 30 grains makes me raise my eyebrows - the accuracy must be adversely effected as well as much of the powder being wasted as it burns in the big muzzle flash.
I also only loaded so much to see how much it can hold of pyrodex. If it can hold 60g and a round ball it can hold 45g and a 220g conical. The heavy projectile will let it burn the powder more efficiently.
 
barrel length is not the limiting factor in both concealability and weight. the bulk of the revolver is usually the grip and frame. its easy to hide the barrel. i don't sacrifice velocity and accuracy over barrel length within reason. that extra 2.5 inches of barrel make a huge velocity difference.
Not enough velocity to make a difference. 45cal hole is a 45 caliber hole. It still has plenty of power to stop someone. Yes it has less power than an 8in. But an 8in has less power than a 44mag. My point being is you don't need a 44mag to stop someone and you don't need a 8in barrel to stop someone. 800fps and a round ball is plenty to kill any man walking. Yoy can get that with a 3in barrel. There is plenty plenty of gel tests showing 800fps round ball getting 14+in of penetration.
 
I don't see a problem with it if it is the best tool for the job that you have available as long as it is legal and done safely.

A 44 ball is probably a better performer than say a modern .380. My biggest worry would be for the potential for cap jams. Obviously the size of these guns are not conducive to open carry and not concealed carry but that is just a comfort thing. With the right clothing and leather it can be done.

One of the smaller caliber Colts that they actually carried back in the day would be much easier to carry but I do not think many folks these day would be comfortable with the performance of a ball in those calibers.
The Remington pretty much won't cap jam because of the design. My 1860 has the caps glued on with nail polish to seal them up. And I know for a fact the first shot will go off and won't jam. Not that the second third or fourth will jam.
 
carrying directly in your belt is not a good idea. just ask the many folks over the years who have shot themselves. some kind of holster is in order. i will say that I did the same thing when I was a kid and somehow got away with it... live and learn if you are lucky.
The hammer locks in between cylinders and it has about a 20lb hammer so it's not getting pulled back on accident. Secondly that is for the soul purpose of transporting it about 20 yards to my car.
 
I almost never carry it on my person only times I do it going from my house to my car
I don’t know anything about your living situation, but it is a sad state of affairs if one feels the need to arm themselves to bring their groceries in safely from the car. I’d be motivated to find a different place to live.
 
I don’t know anything about your living situation, but it is a sad state of affairs if one feels the need to arm themselves to bring their groceries in safely from the car. I’d be motivated to find a different place to live.
I cary it from my house to my car. So that I can put it in my car.... because it's a car gun ... Bc I drive a lot.
 
I don’t know anything about your living situation, but it is a sad state of affairs if one feels the need to arm themselves to bring their groceries in safely from the car. I’d be motivated to find a different place to live.
To further explain I don't want to walk to my car every day with a pistol In my hand. So I conceal it to get it to my car. Where I can put it wherever I want. Under the seat glove box center console ect. Since you seem to not read between the lines very well I will do my best to be very clear and descript from now on. I don't want people seeing me carry a pistol every day to my car because that's a good way to get your house broken into when your not home because people know you have guns that are worth money. I carry it in my car because that's the most convenient arrangement for me. I don't understand where going from my house to my car would specifically mean groceries. I can't get in my car to go to work without going from my house to my car.
 
I don't see a huge difference in concealability between 5.5inch and 3 inch bbl due to the size of the frame and grip. I do see a huge difference in sight radius and velocity.
 
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