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[codyallen98]

I've been doing some looking for a flintlock and was wondering what rifle would be best for a beginner I've read that production rifles locks leave alot to be desired but can't afford a handmade one just yet I'm looking for a smooth bore mainly for hunting purposes. The two I have narrowed it down to is the pedersoli trade gun or the brown bess carbine does anyone have experience with either gun?

 

[Craig Roach]

I just got a brown bess carbine. Took it out and it was reliable and a lot of fun. Haven't tried the Pedersoli Trade gun. I am holding out for a custom trade gun. The brown bess was just because I have no patients and really wanted a smoothbore. I am sure someone can give you a more long term review.

 

[Don Steele]

Perhaps some kind person will help me out. Are they talking about Rifles or Smoothbore Muskets...??
Even the Pedersoli website appears to use those terms interchangeably and I'm unsure which of their offerings are rifled, and which are smoothbore.
Thanks.

 

[Bushfire]

I had a Pedersoli Indian trade gun, was a great gun. I sold it for a semi custom gun but there is nothing wrong with them at all.

 

[Thingamajiggy]

I wouldn't totally rule out production guns, especially older TC's and Lymans. Guns are solid and quite good shooters and easily broke down to clean. Can find some on this forum and online auction sites plus I see them in gunshops from time to time. Good luck.

 

[Craig Roach]

If it says rifle it should have rifling unless it says smooth rifle. Muskets get a little more tricky. Some places will say rifled musket and some just say musket. You really want to read the specifications and see what they say about the twist rate on those. All brown Bess and trade muskets should be smooth bore. The trade gun should say trade rifle if it isn’t.

I am probably leaving something out and someone will fill in.

 

[painter]

Perhaps some kind person will help me out. Are they talking about Rifles or Smoothbore Muskets...??
Even the Pedersoli website appears to use those terms interchangeably and I'm unsure which of their offerings are rifled, and which are smoothbore.
Thanks.

On the Pedersoli site, click on long guns, then click on the model you're interested in. When the page comes up click on the picture of that model, and the specs will appear below. It will list the number of grooves and the rat of twist in mm.

 

[Grenadier1758]

I've been doing some looking for a flintlock and was wondering what rifle would be best for a beginner I've read that production rifles locks leave alot to be desired but can't afford a handmade one just yet I'm looking for a smooth bore mainly for hunting purposes. The two I have narrowed it down to is the pedersoli trade gun or the brown bess carbine does anyone have experience with either gun?

When choosing a first flint lock firearm, consideration must be given to defining what the end purpose will be. Will the gun be used for hunting? Will the gun be used for shooting birds or other fowl? Will the gun be used for shooting targets either fixed in place or on the wing. Since Cody is looking for a hunting gun, the first consideration is weight. The Brown Bess carbine will be heavier than the Trade gun. The Trade Gun by Pedersoli weighs 7.27 pounds. The Brown Bess Carbine weighs 7.93 pounds. Over a day of hunting that half pound will make up a lot of difference. The Trade gun is a 20 gauge or 6.15" caliber and the Brown Bess Carbine is an 11 gauge or 0.750" caliber. The Trade gun is 52" in length while the Carbine is 47" in length.

For hunting, I would consider the Northstar West Trade gun listed for sale on the Forum. It will be lighter in weight and a 12 gauge. It should have a good lock if it was tuned by Curley Gostomski. It should be easier to handle than either of the Pedersoli guns. It is getting some interest in the Forum's classified section.

FOR SALE - Northstar West 12ga. Left Hand

Built I believe in the 70’s from a North Star West kit. Excellent condition with a mirror bore. Dont know who made any of the parts, lock works great. This smoothie has a Cast On stock. See pixs and fits a Left Handed person perfectly. Even though lock is on right side. May not fit a right hand...

www.muzzleloadingforum.com

 

[hanshi]

Yes, if the specs have the word "smooth bore" attached to the gun then it will have no rifling and handle both ball and shot. A "smooth rifle" looks like any other rifle except the barrel is smooth bored with no rifling. Terms like smoothbore, musket, shotgun really refer to the same type gun. "Musket" means the gun is military in nature while "fowler" is a civilian term. I have a rear sight on my 20ga and get near rifle type groups at 50 yards. Mine has killed deer with prb.

 

[roedgecomb]

I had a Pedersoli Indian trade gun, was a great gun. I sold it for a semi custom gun but there is nothing wrong with them at all.

 

[roedgecomb]

I have a Pedersoli Indian Trade Gun and enjoy it very much.