I use a original "poor boy" long gun in cal. 50, converted from flint to cap for hunting. With .495 PRB and 60 grs of WANO PPP I get at 30 meters 1'' groups and at 50 m 2,5'' groups with 3 shots. I also use the gun with shot. Then I load 60 grs WANO PPP, 10 mm lubed wad, 308 grs 2,5 mm shot and again a 3 mm lubed wad.Works good up to 25 meters at ducks, croes and other small gane.