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Do they make a good revolver for edc? My worry is i don't have a place to discharge the gun at the end of the day. How long can you leave a cylinder loaded b4 needing to be shot?
There are several, but none of them are cap-n-ball system guns. IF your EDC is around a farm and your targets are likely to be snakes or an aggressive coyote or feral dog.... suppose a repro would be OK

Or unless you're in a situation where you need to carry today, but you're not going to be able to afford a modern one for many weeks, so the cap-n-ball is your only option,... otherwise you should go with a cartridge handgun if there is even the remote chance of a two-legged aggressor...


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34 years as a LEO
 
Modern semiautos are smaller, lighter, more concealable more reliable and have greater firepower and better terminal ballistics than a BP muzzleloader.

If you carry a BP gun on the south side of Chicago or east St Louis for EDC you are a fool and will be outgunned.
Having worked in both locations I can categorically state that I wasn't impressed with myself for being there armed or not.
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Just a path my hobby has taken me down...
About being an analog to late 19th Century self defense revolvers, when I load a 1858 replica .44 with a soft cast 220-230 or so grain bullet and as much black as I can get behind it the depth of penetration results through a homogeneous media are actually the same as loading a round ball and all the black it'll take. But, that said, a good design semi-wadcutter nose produces improved clothing penetration in much the same manner as was found way back when for heavy round noses. The down side to round noses of course is that they take up space in the percussion chambers that you could be using for powder. They are also going to give you a little longer jump to get contact with the rifling (not that it matters for this discussion). A squatty SWC nose can improve depth of penetration while providing better penetration through thicker masses of fabrics and can help out by taking up a little less powder space. So if it was me I'd be thinking my way through how to tailor the load to what I wanted it to do.
 
At various times and places, I have carried BP revolvers and never felt at a disadvantage over cartridge revolvers. From my very first, which was a .36 brass framed Confederate (the real deal, not a reproduction, that I picked up for about $25 in a pawn shop.) to the one I have now, a .44 New Army with fully fluted cylinder. Have had more cartridge guns misfire than BP.
You maybe didn't "feel" disadvantaged, but you were.

If you really have had more misfires from a cartridge gun than a muzzle loader, you need to upgrade the quality of your cartridge guns or ammunition.
 
I just thought it'd just be neat to carry a c&b revolver every once in a while.
I have a few "belly guns", also.
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Here in Ohio, concealed and open carry are both legal, no permit needed.
Our local prosecuting attorney told me that if a projectile is fired from igniting any type of gun powder, it is considered a "firearm". So if you have a felony on record that has not been expunged, it is illegal to carry even a BP muzzleloader.
Your state may vary; consult an attorney.
 
You maybe didn't "feel" disadvantaged, but you were.

If you really have had more misfires from a cartridge gun than a muzzle loader, you need to upgrade the quality of your cartridge guns or ammunition.
Just saying, I've gotten bad ammo in all brands. It happens! Big mess in the 60s when I was a Cop in Oklahoma was Super Vel. They'd either not fire at all or blow up your gun. Too many cops got hurt by their failures. Only once have I gotten a tin of bad caps, and this was when I first got into BP revolvers. Got Remington caps, only ten out of a tin of 50 fired. Changed to CCI, no problems. Never bought a Remington cap EVER again. If there is a better cap than CCI, they're not available where live.
 
Have had more cartridge guns misfire than BP.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt in you having fired a lot more cartridges than black powder.

The issues with BP revolvers are simply added possibles of failures. The first round may fire and the 2nd may have a Cap lock. The first one may have the powder too compressed and the 2nd one fires, followed by a Cap lock.

I have had a lot of failures with BP so far. I found I can reduce them. The only one I think of as mostly reliable is the ROA.

I have shot a lot of cartridges over the years. I never had a failure (my 45 Star P{D actually fired Glock 45 ACP though it would not cycle). I put a 223 through an AK47 once (well my brother did but I handed him the gun - heard the weird sound and stopped - no idea how I managed that).

I found I was better hunting with factory cartdige than reloads, never had one mis fire. I did have mistakes on the sizing on reloads and too much head space and it would not fire.

BP Revolvers are a coin flip as to them firing or not. In theory, if you developed a load and were anal about how deep you seated it and tested it well, you could have a degree of reliability.

Putting all cartilages into a failure of Super Vel, hmmnm. Why any department would use those is questionable in and of itself. Super Vel was some stuff so hot it pushed the edges and beyond of rationality. I never had any failures to fire or blow ups but it was not anything I would use other than playing with it on a range. And no, none of my guns blew up. That includes a 25 ACP made in 1911!

So, cool to carry is a contradiction of the purpose of an EDC. If its about image you got an issue. But then I was never one of the cool guys.
 
My goodness!!
What makes me think if someone asked about an everyday motorcycle, almost every post would be about how much safer and reliable an SUV would be?

What's wrong with just answering the question?
If you feel the need for and edc, and absolutely need it to be BP, have at it. But, if you really feel a need for an edc, there are far better options than a BP pistol.
 
Do they make a good revolver for edc?....
Ya, but I don't think any of them are BP ML. I've got an "unmentionable" S&W revolver in .38 Special that make a pretty good EDC. OP, I think your question about "end of day discharge" made me go "huh?!?" and makes me wonder about whether your knowledge, training and/or experience level wrt firearms and/or self-defense is sufficient to be be carrying, period. Apologies if I'm wrong, but that's how it's coming across.
 
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If you feel the need for and edc, and absolutely need it to be BP, have at it. But, if you really feel a need for an edc, there are far better options than a BP pistol.

Uuuuuuuum not if bp is all you can haaaaave . . . do you underrrrrstand ? Juuuust annnnswer daaaaa quesssssstion . . . caaaaan yooou doooooo daaaaat . . . ? 😄

Ah SUV isss saffffer thaaaan ahh mooooter cycle . . . 😆
 
Sometimes what's behind the question is what really needs answering, not the literal question itself.

His /her legal status is none of your business ( you're inferring their status!!). Just answer the freekin question!!!
Folks give me the biz about using smokeless for testing the revolver platforms we love so much and yell "THIS IS A MUZZLE LOADING FORUM" but are the first to say "get a cartridge revolver/pistol . . . " when asked for your help with bp !!! Freekin Amazing !!!!!!
 
After firing about a bazillion cartridge rounds, and being paid to do so, I can honestly say I have had less than a handful of misfires.
Now, for the question of carrying. As has been mentioned, on a ranch or farm setting, hunting etc, that might not pose a problem. Unless there is some Walter Mitty fantasy thing or other circumstance, ask your parole or probation officer.
 
Uuuuuuuum not if bp is all you can haaaaave . . . do you underrrrrstand ? Juuuust annnnswer daaaaa quesssssstion . . . caaaaan yooou doooooo daaaaat . . . ? 😄

Ah SUV isss saffffer thaaaan ahh mooooter cycle . . . 😆
Nope, sorry, can’t answer it, as I don’t see where the OP says it’s all he/she they/them can have.
 
Do they make a good revolver for edc? My worry is i don't have a place to discharge the gun at the end of the day. How long can you leave a cylinder loaded b4 needing to be shot?
Pssst! Hey, Acohill, while nobody's looking revise post #1 to say it's 1866! :ghostly:
 
I quite often carry a cap and ball around farm,if I was going to carry in town for 2 legged varmints, of what I own it would probably be one of my 58 44 caliber Remington replicas with 5.5" barrel, my reasons would be fewer cap jams,and I am more comfortable with the Remington safety notch then I am the colt safety pin.

I wouldn't discharge and clean every day,even though that's not a problem for me since I live out in the sticks.
I would probably discharge,clean, and reload every week maybe every 2 weeks, I would use extra care loading to ensure cylinder chambers and nipples are bone dry and spotless.

My 1862 .36 caliber Colt pocket police with 5.5" barrel is lighter and smaller so would be easier to carry,but it's just a 5 shot, I'm not as comfortable carrying a colt fully loaded with the pins, but biggest reason I'd go with something else is I just plain can't hit near as well with it as I can the larger revolvers.

I'm sure others have different preferences but those be my 2 choices and reasons why or why not id choose.
 
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