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flntlokr said:
In-Lines pretty much killed the muzzleloading season in BC. The excuse was that they are 'just like modern rifles' so no special season for anyone.
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Same in zone three in Michigan. During our "muzzleloader" season you can now use any weapon that it legal to use in zone three. My great nephews were just starting to get into ML's. So much for that.
 
sturmkatze said:
No. Primitive means just that. Because you want to take your modern gun that happens to load from the front, yet has the same performance as a modern rifle, you get mad when we disagree. Primitive season. Means you don't use the modern stuff. Is it really that hard?
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Same performance as modern hunting rifle. Nonsense. An inline with a 245 grain sabot with 100 grains of powder muzzle velocity is slower than a .54 cal 230 patched ball with 100 grains of 2 or 3f powder by a good 250 fps. Modern hunting rifle. Neither is in the ballpark. I have all three. They aren't even close to a 30.30 let alone .308, .270, or 30.06. A 26" barrel firing a 230 grain projectile powered by 100 grains of powder does not care whether the barrel is attached to a Hawken stock or a TC Triumph. The advantages are in the speed breach, cleaning, removing unspent rounds, and sights or optics. Not performance. Inlines are only like modern rifles in that they are set up to mount better optics. A 50 cal 26" barrel inline without a scope is no better than a 50 cal 26" barrel hawken in the hands of the average hunter.

But I can agree that if it is primitive then it should be original style cap and ball or flintlock. If it just says muzzle loading then inlines are included. Get the wording of the laws changed or get a separate season.
 
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Hawk54 said:
Same performance as modern hunting rifle. Nonsense. An inline with a 245 grain sabot with 100 grains of powder muzzle velocity is slower than a .54 cal 230 patched ball with 100 grains of 2 or 3f powder by a good 250 fps. Modern hunting rifle. Neither is in the ballpark. I have all three. They aren't even close to a 30.30 let alone .308, .270, or 30.06. A 26" barrel firing a 230 grain projectile powered by 100 grains of powder does not care whether the barrel is attached to a Hawken stock or a TC Triumph. The advantages are in the speed breach, cleaning, removing unspent rounds, and sights or optics. Not performance. Inlines are only like modern rifles in that they are set up to mount better optics. A 50 cal 26" barrel inline without a scope is no better than a 50 cal 26" barrel hawken in the hands of the average hunter.

But I can agree that if it is primitive then it should be original style cap and ball or flintlock. If it just says muzzle loading then inlines are included. Get the wording of the laws changed or get a separate season.
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It was people using primitive guns that brought about ML seasons in the first place.
 
sheriff john said:
So, what about replacement parts for T/C products? -
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I bought a TC Hawken on GunBroker. The parts in the lock were worn to the point that it would not go into full lock. Had to replace several parts. CFNPARTS.com was a great source. Fast and reasonable. I rebuilt the lock.
BTW beware the seller on GunBroker refused to replace any of the parts.
 
Hawk54 said:
Same performance as modern hunting rifle. Nonsense. An inline with a 245 grain sabot with 100 grains of powder muzzle velocity is slower than a .54 cal 230 patched ball with 100 grains of 2 or 3f powder by a good 250 fps. Modern hunting rifle. Neither is in the ballpark. I have all three. They aren't even close to a 30.30 let alone .308, .270, or 30.06. A 26" barrel firing a 230 grain projectile powered by 100 grains of powder does not care whether the barrel is attached to a Hawken stock or a TC Triumph. The advantages are in the speed breach, cleaning, removing unspent rounds, and sights or optics. Not performance. Inlines are only like modern rifles in that they are set up to mount better optics. A 50 cal 26" barrel inline without a scope is no better than a 50 cal 26" barrel hawken in the hands of the average hunter.

But I can agree that if it is primitive then it should be original style cap and ball or flintlock. If it just says muzzle loading then inlines are included. Get the wording of the laws changed or get a separate season.
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Fortunately, I live in Pennsylvania... we have a flintlock season -- like all states should.
 
for all you dislikes of thompson center rifles being called Hawkins, your right , there not a copy of a Hawkin rifle. Thompson copied closely to a rifle made in Chicago in the 1860's . It was called a Kellerman or Keller. They were made for competition shooting with conical bullets. barrels were longer. Muzzle Blast did an article on them around 1993. I have rebarreled two Thompsons with Green river barrels.
 
nelson.kline said:
"My great fear is that, after I die, my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them...."
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I've heard/read this quote probably 1000 different times & it makes absolutely no sense to me. When I die I figger I'm'a have more urgent things to worry about than what somebody sells my stuff for.
 
unclelouie said:
for all you dislikes of thompson center rifles being called Hawkins, your right , there not a copy of a Hawkin rifle. Thompson copied closely to a rifle made in Chicago in the 1860's . It was called a Kellerman or Keller. They were made for competition shooting with conical bullets. barrels were longer. Muzzle Blast did an article on them around 1993. I have rebarreled two Thompsons with Green river barrels.
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*Hawken...🤔
 
I find it humorous you're having this serious discussion over a joke. Jokes, by their nature, contain illogical elements, so being concerned your wife sells them cheap after you're gone is part of it. Hell, if I have to point out all the illogical elements I'd feel pretty stupid, as you probably already know all that and are just making a joke of the joke. I did think it was pretty funny when I first read it.
 
There is a flintlock season in Maryland, too. Cost me the price of a Pedersoli Scout 50 cal, when my son found out.
 

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