Thanks yet again for more ideas and info. I just got home from work today after being gone since early January. So I've got a lot of work to get caught up with around the farm. Im picking up the muzzle loader on monday or tuesday. And then the fun will begin. Not sure what idea I'm going to try first. I might try hooking the patch with something like a fish hook first like Snowdragon said, then the tub trick like Zonie said. But I have a feeling JHansen's idea will be the clincher. Keep the ideas coming. Thanks
Trevor
Trevor