Inline Flintlock Pistol

[Flintlocker.com]

Happy Holiday's Everyone,

I am looking for a very specific rarity even a picture of the internals would be helpful.
It is my understanding the 1700's there was an in-line flintlock action by Stanislaus Paczelt.

I have a memory of reading someplace back in the 80's that there was an inline flintlock Pistol.
Mindful this could be a memory tilted by time from a visit to a library in Calais, ME or Clark, NJ maybe a conversation when I lived In Kempton PA with a BP legend?
If anyone has photos of the internal workings a drawing patent info etc. I would be very grateful for your efforts in sharing.

BR
James

 

[Carney Pace]

Nock or Manton of English gun making history made a Flintlock under hammer fowler. Look for a book on them it will have a picture. In the meantime I will see if I have a reference.
Carney

 

[Flintlocker.com]

Carney,

Much appreciated this is a start on a journey for me.
I intend to make as an offering someday if not a just a personal uniquely special pistol for myself.

BR
James

 

[Flintlocker.com]

To those looking at the thread thinking didn't we already cover this?
I will apologize for starting a new thread. But with that said I was unaware of the old threads till I searched in the forum itself and the info found within was interesting but alas incomplete.

I may be just looking for something that didn't impress a king before the inventor was committed to the asylum...

 

[tnlonghunter]

I'm not sure if you're asking about one specific pistol, of in-line flint pistols in general. A friend of mine has this one that was a family heirloom. I don't know anything about its history, but it was a neat little thing.

 

[Flintlocker.com]

I'm not sure if you're asking about one specific pistol, of in-line flint pistols in general. A friend of mine has this one that was a family heirloom. I don't know anything about its history, but it was a neat little thing.
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Thanks!

That's one style I was looking for better photos of I was going to say that was one I referred to as a "box-rock-lock" . It's sure on my personal list.

 

[Carney Pace]

Type in Nick Under hammer Flintlock in search engine and scroll through the pictures. Some original flint locks and alot of perc. They look like you built a center hammer box lock upside down.
There was a Gentleman at Vipond park Western Rendezvous from the left coast, Oregon or Washington
he built one and it handled great, He also had a Puckett gun he built, Google that one also.

Carney

 

[dd832]

I think this is the info you are looking for:

that is everything I have, Mike

 

[Flintlocker.com]

Mike,

That's incredible YES that's the stuff I'm looking for I will unveil why soon

 

[hrt4me]

That's incredible YES that's the stuff I'm looking for I will unveil why soon

looking forward to that...

 

[DuncNZ]

I'm not sure if you're asking about one specific pistol, of in-line flint pistols in general. A friend of mine has this one that was a family heirloom. I don't know anything about its history, but it was a neat little thing.
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That is a Belgium made box lock flintlock pocket pistol which probably was a screw barrel before some one soldered ramrod tubes on the side .You can see a line of punch marks on the barrel/action body which makes me think the barrel had a habit of coming loose and someone has tried to make the join tighter .or it had been converted from screw barrel to ramrod use for some reason.
I do like the safety system which locks down the frizzen . There were tens of thousands of this type of pistol made . In the days before street lighting was invented and for some time after they were carried for self defense in a gentleman's coat pocket or even a specially made pocket , usually in pairs . I have sold dozens of these pistols over the years , mostly collectors would not bother with them , but recently they have become collectable in their own right .

 

[DuncNZ]

One thing you should notice in the drawing is that it is fitted with a coil spring . I came across these drawings 30+ years ago when I was trying to find if early firearms used coil springs . It also used a firing pin of a sort .

 

[Flintlocker.com]

That is a Belgium made box lock flintlock pocket pistol which probably was a screw barrel before some one soldered ramrod tubes on the side .You can see a line of punch marks on the barrel/action body which makes me think the barrel had a habit of coming loose and someone has tried to make the join tighter .or it had been converted from screw barrel to ramrod use for some reason.
I do like the safety system which locks down the frizzen . There were tens of thousands of this type of pistol made . In the days before street lighting was invented and for some time after they were carried for self defense in a gentleman's coat pocket or even a specially made pocket , usually in pairs . I have sold dozens of these pistols over the years , mostly collectors would not bother with them , but recently they have become collectable in their own right .

I feel may be an odd fellow out in this group, I have more time in the shop making firearm repairs, improvements or restorative activities than researching history. I simply devoted time to family, multiple jobs, education, my community and Model T Fords. Now that I have a little more time I've been burrowing through page by page of an ever growing muzzle loading library and attempting to align a design of what may be considered historically relevant reproductions of unique flintlock pistols.

This may be a story of taking ones work and making it a hobby but only crafted out of the specific elements, I enjoyed from working on firearms. My intention is to make fewer items at a higher level of quality offer repair and restoration as a part of the fun but this time as an effort on my own, this will be different & The coffee pot shall always be hot. We purchased a location with prior firearms experience, ample parking, a private entrance, water closet and enough amperage to support machines.

As a one man start up, setting the equipment in place has been the challenge with the help of a 14 year old youngster. Right now I'm healing up from moving in a 4 spindle cast iron stock carver ( yes with removable long stock attachment...).

I'm long winded but I feel detail is important.

James

 

[Flintlocker.com]

One thing you should notice in the drawing is that it is fitted with a coil spring . I came across these drawings 30+ years ago when I was trying to find if early firearms used coil springs . It also used a firing pin of a sort .

One I have a memory of had an external leaf spring on a bolt like rod. I clearly remember thinking where’s the lock?

 

[John May]

I have one of these that I have shot a fair bit but not recently. It's .45 calibre smooth-bore and was Custom Made in the UK for the previous owner. I have to say it is very reliable, 15 shots without a single mis-fire, at least on a par with my Hege Manton!

 

[Flintlocker.com]

John,

Very cool pistol I always pondered the laws of gravity in such a set up.

BR
James

 

[DuncNZ]

John,

Very cool pistol I always pondered the laws of gravity in such a set up.

BR
James

I have shot all my flintlocks upside down ,and much to my surprise and delight all worked perfectly . ,
If you are going to try this do it away from your loading area and powder horn . and don't forget the flash hole will be pointing towards your body .

 

[DuncNZ]

I have one of these that I have shot a fair bit but not recently. It's .45 calibre smooth-bore and was Custom Made in the UK for the previous owner. I have to say it is very reliable, 15 shots without a single mis-fire, at least on a par with my Hege Manton!View attachment 110777

That is a good way , if not the only way to get useable sights on a central hammer boxlock pistol

 

[toot]

I have one of these that I have shot a fair bit but not recently. It's .45 calibre smooth-bore and was Custom Made in the UK for the previous owner. I have to say it is very reliable, 15 shots without a single mis-fire, at least on a par with my Hege Manton!View attachment 110777

that is amazing I would think that the powder would fall out at least some of it before ignition ocurs. what ever would the purpose of such a pistol? just courious? BRW, I rely would like to be the new kid on the block with one!!

 

[John May]

that is amazing I would think that the powder would fall out at least some of it before ignition ocurs. what ever would the purpose of such a pistol? just courious? BRW, I rely would like to be the new kid on the block with one!!

I gather it was made for MLAIC competition shooting. It has a perfect, un-interrupted sight picture which is a bonus when shooting flintlock as the 'experts' tell me, for correct follow-through you must concentrate on the muzzle flash and ignore the pan flash.
You are right in your assumption as the only real down-side with the pistol is, if you overload the priming pan you end up with a quantity of unburnt priming powder on the table, a potential hazard if you let it build up. I have never shot it in MLAGB competition but in practice it's very accurate and equally as reliable as a 'right-way-up' flintlock!