Flintlock muzzleloaders will rule again

Smart enough not to admit that they have some fetish about eating cats.

I don't know about everybody else but I'm interested in eating beef steak not squirrels and those damn little yapping dogs or cats.

Actually I do know about everybody else . . because that's what they've been talking about here .
nothing about keeping the rifles sparking when we've been knocked back to the dark ages , and keeping our flintlocks sparking or whatever rifle or smoothbore piece you have fed with ammunition but fantasies about 'finally will have a chance to eat rodents and the neighbors cat and those damn little yapping dogs cuz that's what we're really interested in'

What an odd little thread that has turned into…

Eric Krewson said:

The way I see it, all the speculation about survival will be a moot point, there are over 100 nuke plants in the US, they can only cool the reactors for so long on the generator backup power. The control room is probably shielded from an emp attack but the periphery accessory equipment, all of the breaker boxes and digital sensing equipment is more than likely out in the weather.

When these plants start going critical, they will make Chernobyl look like a tiny firecracker in comparison, everyone downwind for hundreds if not thousands of miles will be goners.

I worked in a coal fired generating plant for 30 years and know how one fried relay can shut the whole unit down.

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Eric, you have an obvious valid point. That alone would be terrible. However, and it would go along with what you stated, It could be something much less that could and will be like something out of a science fiction movie if it were to materialize.

An EMP would fry most all electrical wiring and circuits. An EMP could come from the sun but considering the evil and political world environment, it’s to my belief that it would be some small of nuclear device exploded in the atmosphere and it might be blamed on another country. Depending on how severe a particular area may be affected, it would most certainly cause massive chaos and would take a very long time to repair. Can you imagine how berserk people will be if this happens? No electronic devices would work. No refridgeration, no lights, no gas, no heat, no food, no water, no communications, no vehicles, no nothing.

Then it is entirely possible that some evil PTB could take down the internet. Most everything would come to a sudden stop.

I do not put anything past TPTB considering all their evilness.

SHTF can take many forms, and in most cases it is not an all-or-nothing thing. It can also be regional, as people in Ukraine and Gaza could point out. Prepping is essential for many life interruptions, whether it is being short of cash after Christmas, a war or serious pandemic, or any of the possibilities in between. I am lucky enough to live in a stone built house with 2ft thick walls and steel shutters in a very rural little village, surrounded by farmers and country folk who all own at least one shotgun or hunting rifle. So I am more fortunate than many. One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned, among all the 'wrong political stuff' which could bring about an EMP problem, is Coronal Mass Ejection (although @ETipp touched on it). Unless I missed it in my skim-reading of this thread, no one has mentioned the Carrington Event, or what such an event would do in the modern world.

Sam squanch said:

The founder of the company I work for was stationed at the Panama Canal during Ww2. They all ate at a local place, the best home cooked meals! They all jumped in a truck to go for lunch, the MP’s were out front. “ Off limits, guys!” Out back were several oil drums full of CAT hides and heads!

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Gaa roasss' I see some strange food preparations on those short reels that are presented online, most of which I would gag at if I were watching in real life.

Brings a whole new meaning to cat food.

Sir Boniface Harrison said:

SHTF can take many forms, and in most cases it is not an all-or-nothing thing. It can also be regional, as people in Ukraine and Gaza could point out. Prepping is essential for many life interruptions, whether it is being short of cash after Christmas, a war or serious pandemic, or any of the possibilities in between. I am lucky enough to live in a stone built house with 2ft thick walls and steel shutters in a very rural little village, surrounded by farmers and country folk who all own at least one shotgun or hunting rifle. So I am more fortunate than many. One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned, among all the 'wrong political stuff' which could bring about an EMP problem, is Coronal Mass Ejection (although @ETipp touched on it). Unless I missed it in my skim-reading of this thread, no one has mentioned the Carrington Event, or what such an event would do in the modern world.

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Folks remember here after Katrina the hurricane. Gas refineries were shut down so no gas flow for over a week in the southeast. Gas lines, out of gss all kinds of short term issues. Stop the pipelines, stop the flow of gas as there are 4-5 major pipelines in the US. Everything stops and all shortages occur. They get a hole in em and EPA gets involved in the cleanup, could be months before the flow starts. And then there is the TP an baby formula shortages in covid. Oh my. Brawls at the pump, fights for TP......gets ugly quick.....and that is not even the catastrophic event you all are describing....this is everyday life.

People worry about vehicle fuel. How many here can pack horses and mules? They are the only sensible form of transport in mountain country, and most of the rest of the country.

Mina said:

Gaa roasss' I see some strange food preparations on those short reels that are presented online, most of which I would gag at if I were watching in real life.

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So what are you going to go for something like a match lock? Or a flintlock?

The wick from a oil lantern like are available in the hobby department in Walmart can work to get things burning in a flash hole

Everyone assumes the flintlock is the perfect apocalypse gun. It's not for me for me it's percussion. I have a lifetime supply of cap making ingredients. 1 lb of each chemical will literally last you forever. Flints on the other hand don't occur naturally where I live and I can't make a flint. And it will be impossible to purchase Flint. I'm never going to run out of empty beer cans.

sethwyo said:

So what are you going to go for something like a match lock? Or a flintlock?

The wick from a oil lantern like are available in the hobby department in Walmart can work to get things burning in a flash hole

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An old style cotton mop head is perfect. You're going to want to treat it with some potassium nitrate in water then it will never go out.

Old Sparky said:

Everyone assumes the flintlock is the perfect apocalypse gun. It's not for me for me it's percussion. I have a lifetime supply of cap making ingredients. 1 lb of each chemical will literally last you forever. Flints on the other hand don't occur naturally where I live and I can't make a flint. And it will be impossible to purchase Flint. I'm never going to run out of empty beer cans.

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But if we're stocking up on ingredients... wouldn't it make just as much sense to stock up on those for unmentionables?

Anyone here made blackpowder *from scratch* -- as in making your own potassium nitrate from wood-ash and urine?

Eric Krewson said:

Another thing people don't think about is that anyone on maintenance medication will die in short order when their supply dries up, diabetics, heart patients on blood thinners or blood pressure meds and a host of other meds that keep people alive.

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Another very valid point that most folks do not consider.

Sam squanch said:

I’ve worked in the transformer industry for 25 years, ain’t gonna happen. At the worst, shut down for 2 weeks. It can’t get the whole nation at once, some places will still be ok. I’m more concerned about small groups sabotaging sub stations, that will do more damage. This EMP stuff was hyped to sell survival rations and other stuff!

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Perhaps. We don’t know what the sun is actually capable of doing, in terms of a natural EMP.

A man made EMP would most likely cover a smaller area but even if it took out the eastern 1/3 of the nation, it would be a total nightmare. My guess is, if that ever were to materialize, it would be enough for TPTB to declare martial law, thus suspending the constitution. Even a state of emergency could be plenty bad enough. Then it’s bye-bye what freedoms we have left. Firearms would certainly be one of the first things on their list.

I don’t put anything past the evilness of TPTB.

I also don’t worry about any of this. Nothing I can do to stop it if were to happen.

if it could be stopped should it be stopped?

A lot of people have their supplies stored in their home ,
and that's very susceptible to 'someone' coming in and taking everything ,
or just coming in and taking you,
or your house getting burned down by a laser drone like all those houses in Hawaii was,
or if you simply can't return to your home and have to scrounge or forge for whatever tools equipment and other things you need

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Old Sparky said:

Everyone assumes the flintlock is the perfect apocalypse gun. It's not for me for me it's percussion. I have a lifetime supply of cap making ingredients. 1 lb of each chemical will literally last you forever. Flints on the other hand don't occur naturally where I live and I can't make a flint. And it will be impossible to purchase Flint. I'm never going to run out of empty beer cans.

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I have one of those cap-making dies and it works well. After a little experimentation with the ingredients to get the right combination. I also have a flintlock. I can use quartz or chert in place of flint.

Sir Boniface Harrison said:

surrounded by farmers and country folk who all own at least one shotgun or hunting rifle

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And your government will confiscate them all .