Loads in a original rem 1858

[TFoley]

All this was using pyrodex RS.

Pyrodex RS = Pyrodex for Rifle and Shotgun - approximately 2Fg grade.

Pyrodex P = Pyrodex for Pistol - approximately 3Fg grade.

 

[Crypt0manic]

Yup, Just that.

IMO you are trying too hard - it's not rocket science, and people have been making pre-loaded cartridges for revolvers since the late 1830's without all the fuss of wax and wads.

Got ya man! Does that work with round balls without wax etc as well? I mean conicals are longer and should isolate better but maybe a round ball is enough i don't know.

 

[Crypt0manic]

Pyrodex RS = Pyrodex for Rifle and Shotgun - approximately 2Fg grade.

Pyrodex P = Pyrodex for Pistol - approximately 3Fg grade.

Yeah man i know it's for riffles but i didn't have any pyrodex P. When i ordered the pyrodex i didn't know all that and ordered the RS but found out it works as well so decided to try and shoot it! Could you explain the difference tho? Which one burns faster and creates more pressure etc?
If i got it right the RS burns slower. Which ones is hardest to clean?

 

[Crypt0manic]

@rodwha hey man! I was outside and tried out shooting some of the cartridges. Guess i need to check up another way for making them.

I tried the paper cartridges i made just wanted to tell you it started misfiring on 5th bullet. I shot 4 of them and at 5th didn't fire so i got to loosen the nipple and get the pyrodex and bullet out on my own.

Also except misfiring i noticed the explosion came a bit too slow compared to regulat shooting clean powder in chambers with no paper.

Was a hell getting the nipple clean since it got paper inside there so i put it in water for the paper to get wet later i poked it out.

All this was using pyrodex RS.

As well i actually tried 30 grains with the conical bullet and i didn't really notice much difference on the penetration power. But more accurate tests needs to be done before i can tell for sure. But i barely need 30 grains with a conical it was a test. Got no ballistic gel so guess i will try with paper to see how well 25 grn and 30 grn penetrate.

A detail i forgot but probably you people got what i mean already. All the cartridges went into same chamber since i wanted to see how many it shoots before misfiring etc!

 

[Grenadier1758]

Pyrodex fouling is Pyrodex fouling, so both are hard to clean.

 

[rodwha]

A detail i forgot but probably you people got what i mean already. All the cartridges went into same chamber since i wanted to see how many it shoots before misfiring etc!

I didn’t realize that. That’s good information. I haven’t gone beyond 3 cylinders full, but had no issues with the paper shards.

 

[Crypt0manic]

I didn’t realize that. That’s good information. I haven’t gone beyond 3 cylinders full, but had no issues with the paper shards.

I will try to make different cartridges and try them out not sure what tho! Maybe if i try to make it even thinner and larger for the paper to break when i shave it down with the bullet it would take more bullets. I gotta see what works

 

[nkbj]

These discussions remind me that cartridges of a consumable metal seem to have been used as well.
Was it tin? Or a tin alloy? I don't know. But it would seem to have negated the problem of coals left in the chambers.

 

[Crypt0manic]

These discussions remind me that cartridges of a consumable metal seem to have been used as well.
Was it tin? Or a tin alloy? I don't know. But it would seem to have negated the problem of coals left in the chambers.

Sounds very interesting since i didn't even know they had any. Would be happy if anyone could show how they look or where to get them. Probably would be helpful! I saw some of plastic on some website before and i'm trying to find them again.

Update:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index...ie+Quick+Load+Target+Tube+-+.44+-+.50+Caliber

Here i found them but i don't get how they work still cause something have to hold the powder inside.

 

[TFoley]

Sounds very interesting since i didn't even know they had any. Would be happy if anyone could show how they look or where to get them. Probably would be helpful! I saw some of plastic on some website before and i'm trying to find them again.

Update:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index...ie+Quick+Load+Target+Tube+-+.44+-+.50+Caliber

Here i found them but i don't get how they work still cause something have to hold the powder inside.

Whoops!!! Discussion of 'metallic cartridges' of a NON-consumable kind is not permitted on this forum - see rules.

 

[TFoley]

A detail i forgot but probably you people got what i mean already. All the cartridges went into same chamber since i wanted to see how many it shoots before misfiring etc!

Every month we have a guest day, and I usually take along my Ruger Old Army for people to try out - here in UK most folks have never seen ANY kind of real gun.

During the course of the day, shooting six shots at a time, I often go through 144 shots.

Maybe once or twice I have to clean up the cylinder pin, but I wipe the gun over after each cylinder-full, and get ready for the next loading.

TBH, I don't recall having many FTF - failure to fire, whether using Remington or RWS caps.

I've been shooting C&B since the late 1960's, and in my experience, a misfire occurs when the cap is not FIRMLY in position. After capping up, I go round with the eraser-end of a pencil and make sure they are well in place. A piece of dowel does the same job, slightly turned down in a pencil sharpener to clear the edges.

 

[rodwha]

I will try to make different cartridges and try them out not sure what tho! Maybe if i try to make it even thinner and larger for the paper to break when i shave it down with the bullet it would take more bullets. I gotta see what works

There are those who glue a thin base to their cartridges. I don’t make mine in a traditional fashion, mine look like this:



The one on the right was trimmed later, but as you can see mine have a twisty tail for a base. The papers I’ve used are quite thin but strong and made of flax. I don’t know if it’s better than others or not, but it’s worked well for me.

 

[rodwha]

These discussions remind me that cartridges of a consumable metal seem to have been used as well.
Was it tin? Or a tin alloy? I don't know. But it would seem to have negated the problem of coals left in the chambers.

The foil they used didn’t seem to work as well did they? Seems they abandoned it rather quickly.

 

[rodwha]

Sounds very interesting since i didn't even know they had any. Would be happy if anyone could show how they look or where to get them. Probably would be helpful! I saw some of plastic on some website before and i'm trying to find them again.

Update:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index...ie+Quick+Load+Target+Tube+-+.44+-+.50+Caliber

Here i found them but i don't get how they work still cause something have to hold the powder inside.

I have those too, both for handguns and rifles. When I tried them they had static cling or something as the powder stuck to the sides. I was told to wash them or rub them with a dryer sheet, but they’ve just sat instead.

You use your projectile as the cap for the tubes. Since I use lubed bullets I think it a bad idea as the lube would just stick the mouth and catch powder.

 

[rodwha]

Whoops!!! Discussion of 'metallic cartridges' of a NON-consumable kind is not permitted on this forum - see rules.

The combustible foil cartridges

These discussions remind me that cartridges of a consumable metal seem to have been used as well.
Was it tin? Or a tin alloy? I don't know. But it would seem to have negated the problem of coals left in the chambers.

Found this:

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2015/11/tinfoil-cartridges.html?m=1

 

[Crypt0manic]

Every month we have a guest day, and I usually take along my Ruger Old Army for people to try out - here in UK most folks have never seen ANY kind of real gun.

During the course of the day, shooting six shots at a time, I often go through 144 shots.

Maybe once or twice I have to clean up the cylinder pin, but I wipe the gun over after each cylinder-full, and get ready for the next loading.

TBH, I don't recall having many FTF - failure to fire, whether using Remington or RWS caps.

I've been shooting C&B since the late 1960's, and in my experience, a misfire occurs when the cap is not FIRMLY in position. After capping up, I go round with the eraser-end of a pencil and make sure they are well in place. A piece of dowel does the same job, slightly turned down in a pencil sharpener to clear the edges.

Got ya! Yeah kinda same here. Most of people here haven't seen or shot a gun either in their lives. You can barely talk openly about any guns at all here and to everyone i tell i got bp guns i gotta as well explain the unlogical laws about why it's legal otherwise probably the police might be knocking on my door. Ofc i barely talk about it to many because we don't have the american gun culture. Most of people here might get scared or think it's uncomfortable.....i always hide it outside if i'm on my way to go and shoot etc....it's enough with anyone seeing it and probably cops might be here in minutes....

You use cartridges while doing that?

I'm sure the problem with misfiring is because of the paper cartridges otherwise the remington almost never misfires so far at least it only did once and probably it was because of how i set the cap on it. Not sure....but it always shoots fine. I have to find out what type of cartridges work best!

 

[nkbj]

The combustible foil cartridges


Found this:

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2015/11/tinfoil-cartridges.html?m=1

Sounds like Colt's foil cartridges for small arms was a good thing but the technology didn't scaled up well for use in artillery. Can you imagine trying to muzzleload a cannon with solidified beads of tin taking up the windage!

 

[Crypt0manic]

Sounds like Colt's foil cartridges for small arms was a good thing but the technology didn't scaled up well for use in artillery. Can you imagine trying to muzzleload a cannon with solidified beads of tin taking up the windage!

Thanks! I don't get how they made these cartridges tho i mean how can they fire if the powder is covered in tin foil?


Also i noticed a thing on my gun. When pulling back the hammer seems like it doesn't always rotate the cylinder into right position. Seems like it sometimes...maybe once of 15 times not sure gets a few mm at sides of where it actually should be. Which kinda worries me. If it rotates into wrong position i guess the gun could blow up while shooting. I think this might be the problem. I don't know the name of all parts in the gun so i will send a small clip i made. Should it really be this way? I guess it's a bit loosen?

 

[Crypt0manic]

@rodwha hey man could you check on your uberti if that part is loosen like mine? Check the clip and you will see what i mean. The thing that makes the cylinder rotate. i don't know the name of the part. But i'm pretty sure that's the problem. I guess a pretty dangerous problem.

 

[Crypt0manic]

I took it apart and bent the spring a bit and put it together again! Not much tho since i'm scared to break it. Maybe i should change to one for a uberti instead of bending. I will see if it gets any better. Maybe the spring pushes forward the thing that is supposed to rotate the cylinder better now. Not sure maybe it already is the way it's supposed to be so that's why i'm asking since i don't know but at least i cleaned it inside. Seems like they haven't done it for a while whoever had it before me. And it's kinda fun to see the mechanism of a 160 years old gun haha Also i sprayed in some gun oil on the parts etc...good to have it clean. Guns are holy stuff to me so i want to take care of it well.