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vtbuck223 
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09-06-11 10:29 AM - Post#1040836    


I have been looking for a percussion pistol for awhile...to bang around with at primitive biathlons. I didn't want to spend a fortune...just a good starter pistol. I like Pedersolis and primarily use their Kentucky rifle in the biathlons. I missed out on a used Pedersoli Kentucky pistol...and was looking at other options. I saw the traditions crocket pistol and a CVA .50 cal kentucky. I ended up getting the CVA. Primarily because it had 1 in 30 in. twist as opposed to the 1 in 48 in twist in the Crocket. Does it really make a difference? I know it is a little late...probably should have asked before hand...but got a decent price on the CVA...it was used but unfired...in like brand new condition....did I make the right choice? Should I have held out for the Pedersoli?

 
Don 
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09-06-11 01:36 PM - Post#1040904    

    In response to vtbuck223

I have four CVA pistols and all are good shooters.

Don

 
zimmerstutzen 
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09-06-11 03:34 PM - Post#1040949    

    In response to Don

My first muzzy was a CVA Kentucky pistol, in flint.

The trigger pull usually needs a little work. An acquaintance got a CVA Kentucky kit cheap, and replaced the perc lock with one that had a fly and replaced the trigger with a single set. He was shooting darn good groups with that thing.

A weak coil spring from the hardware store can be put in to prevent the factory trigger from rattling around. I'm not sure if any black powder gun smiths would work on a CVA lock to tune it. They are good guns, but for any kind of target work need a bit of tweaking.

The very early CVA kentucky pistols had very shallow rifling and the bores still showed alot of machine work. The later ones had very good round ball barrels.

Edited by zimmerstutzen on 09-06-11 03:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
cowpoke1955 
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cowpoke1955
09-06-11 05:50 PM - Post#1041009    

    In response to vtbuck223

I have an older CVA Kentucky Pistol in .45. It shoots dead on at 25 yards with a .440 ball and 20 grains of FFFg Goex

 
vtbuck223 
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09-07-11 12:33 AM - Post#1041157    

    In response to cowpoke1955

Sweeeeeet! Sounds like I made a good choice. I really like the look and feel of it...seems like it will be a good shooter. Pistols are definitely a challenge at the biathlons...I have seen a lot of good rifle shooters have some difficulty. I'm not sure about the sights...will have to try them out...but the bore looks really good...I hope it's accurate. I'm looking forward to sending a few balls downrange. Thanks All.

 
Blackpowdersmoke 
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Blackpowdersmoke
09-07-11 08:46 PM - Post#1041485    

    In response to cowpoke1955

  • cowpoke1955 Said:
I have an older CVA Kentucky Pistol in .45. It shoots dead on at 25 yards with a .440 ball and 20 grains of FFFg Goex


Same here. I built mine from a kit back in the late 70's. Got it out and dusted it off for a little shootin' a week ago and I use the same load. Had to tap the rear sight just a tich to get her tweeked but it shot a 1-1/2" three shot group (from a rest) all in a 3" bull at about one o'clock. A guy I used to shoot with won a pound of powder at a shoot with it about a year or so after I built it. It's always been a good shooter....BPS


 
Nappers 
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Nappers
09-08-11 02:23 AM - Post#1041554    

    In response to vtbuck223

I bought the Traditions Trapper model. Looked at the kentucky model, didn't like the way it felt.

have yet to shoot it, but can't wait. Life getting in the way at the moment, but will soon!

It's like buying cars, Ford, Chevy, Dodge Imports, it's what you like and feels comfortable.

I would love a custom English model someday with saw handle stock.....

Either way, you got a nice shooter and what others have said, it will shoot good! and you like it that's what counts!

 
rawhide 
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rawhide
09-08-11 08:39 AM - Post#1041623    

    In response to vtbuck223

I got a traditions kentucky pistol in .50 alot like the cva. shoots realy well.

 
zimmerstutzen 
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09-08-11 03:02 PM - Post#1041816    

    In response to rawhide

I suspect that the Traditions was made in the same factory as the CVA with the same tooling. Many of the parts interchange.

 
Zonie 
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Zonie
09-08-11 08:20 PM - Post#1041950    

    In response to zimmerstutzen

Almost all of the CVA, Traditions and other imported muzzleloading guns from Spain are made by Ardesa.
Just Jim...



 
junkman_01 
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junkman_01
09-09-11 07:09 AM - Post#1042091    

    In response to Zonie

Zonie,

Ever heard of 'Replica Arms'? I have a pretty nice Kentucky pistol by them that I built from a kit in the 80's.

 
rawhide 
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rawhide
09-09-11 08:36 AM - Post#1042111    

    In response to zimmerstutzen

I beleave they do. I could be wrong thuogh

 
Sneezy 
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Sneezy
09-09-11 09:16 AM - Post#1042133    

    In response to vtbuck223

CVa Kentucky pistols are what they are - a very basic pistol. I have two; one in flint, one percussion. The only caution that I would mention is the way the barrel is held in the stock. There is the tang bolt and the stock wood under that brass nosecap; and we're not talking very much wood there. There are no wedges or pins securing the barrel to the stock.

And this, in itself, isn't necessarily a bad thing. I would only caution you about using stout loads in that pistol. Not because there is any question about the strength of the barrel, but because you don't have that much holding the barrel to the stock. And the stocks on my two pistols are made of a wood that's kind of soft.

But they are loads of fun to shoot and hold up well. Mine go back about 30 years or so with no problems. Have fun.

 
vtbuck223 
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09-09-11 09:39 AM - Post#1042140    

    In response to Sneezy

Thanks for the heads up...from what I read here it sounds like 20 grains is a good place to start. I have never shot a pistol with round ball before. It sounds like 20 is plenty out to about 20 yards? With an .490 ball and 20 grains at 40 yards are you likely to get a great deal of drop?

 
zimmerstutzen 
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09-09-11 12:31 PM - Post#1042193    

    In response to vtbuck223

Some powder is hotter than others and results between Goex and Swiss will probably be largely different. Also, a great many of the CVA kentucky pistols have rear sights that are lower than the front sights. So many have only been shot a few times and never really sighted in that you should probably check the height of the sights before expecting to hit the paper. A large number of them shot "down hill" with the sights as made.

I just got a CVA Mtn Pistol. the front sight is about a millimeter higher than the rear sight. Which, assuming the bore is straight, with just under six inches sight radius, means the gun will probably shoot about 150 millimeters low at 25 yds. (about 5 or 6 inches)

If it is typical like that, don't go filing on it yet though. Save that for after a couple dozen or so shots at the range to see where it groups first.

 
Schutzenkette 
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Schutzenkette
09-09-11 02:05 PM - Post#1042215    

    In response to vtbuck223

They are not bad pistols and the one I have shoots well and is fairly accurate. Beware, Sneezy speaks the truth as you can see...





Schutzenkette

 
junkman_01 
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junkman_01
09-09-11 08:10 PM - Post#1042312    

    In response to Schutzenkette

I don't see sh1t!

 
zimmerstutzen 
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09-09-11 08:34 PM - Post#1042321    

    In response to junkman_01

Junkman, apparently, you are not amongst the esteemed members who are permitted to see the photos. Send $500 to Senior Claud and all will become clear.

Actually the photo was there earlier today. It showed a CVA pistol stock with the wood tab that sticks between the nose cap and the barrel as having been broken off.

 
Schutzenkette 
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Schutzenkette
09-10-11 07:00 PM - Post#1042666    

    In response to junkman_01

Sorry about that Junkman. I got to fooling around with my photobucket account and moved those pictures. Here they are...






 
nmdd 
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nmdd
09-10-11 07:49 PM - Post#1042681    

    In response to Schutzenkette

My Pedersoli Kentucky Flintlock pistol is built that way and I wondered about the strength of it..so I have always just loaded with 20grs...

 
Schutzenkette 
32 Cal.
Posts: 48
Schutzenkette
09-10-11 08:46 PM - Post#1042713    

    In response to nmdd

This happened the first time I ever fired this pistol. Couple of 40 grain charges and then I finally settled on 30 grains as being the most accurate out of it. I got it home and found this. This was several years ago and I came here asking questions as to how to go about fixing it. Ended up with a repair that held but have not fired it much since then but I think lighter charges are the most prudent.

 
zimmerstutzen 
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09-10-11 08:58 PM - Post#1042718    

    In response to Schutzenkette

I dislike those nose caps anyway. In at least one, I added a barrel tennon and pinned the barrel down. But it was a kit my buddy was putting together and he cracked it badly forcing thee barrel into the channel, or that's what he said happened.

Edited by zimmerstutzen on 09-10-11 09:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
junkman_01 
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junkman_01
09-11-11 05:13 AM - Post#1042783    

    In response to zimmerstutzen

Thanks for reposting the pictures. That is really tragic. BTW, the ram rod thimbles are reversed. The long one goes in the rear and partially into the stock.

 
Schutzenkette 
32 Cal.
Posts: 48
Schutzenkette
09-11-11 09:11 AM - Post#1042861    

    In response to junkman_01

Junkman,

Thanks, I never paid any attention to that before. Well, now I have a quick project for today

Schutzenkette



 
Ghettogun 
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09-13-11 08:57 AM - Post#1043674    

    In response to vtbuck223

I have the Traditions version and shoot a 45auto cartridge full of ffg. It shoots flat out to 50 yards and 10x accurate if I can hold it steady. Starts dropping around 65 yards. At 100 yards and 40 grains with full sight elevation I can hit the target. I haven't done that for a few years cuz I don't feel the need to push the envelope on that pistol anymore. After seeing that picture, I don't think I ever will.

 
Fred_D 
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Fred_D
09-13-11 09:17 AM - Post#1043684    

    In response to zimmerstutzen

  • Quote:
pistols have rear sights that are lower than the front sights.



Actually that is correct. Take any modern pistol and lay a straight-edge across the sights. They aim downward (the bore center-line) because the recoil of a pistol rocks the piece backward in your hand before the ball (bullet) exits the muzzle. Just the opposite of rifle sights.

As to being on target, most muzzle loaders don't come zeroed right out of the box, and no cartridge gun I've shot ever was.

 
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