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Which ones have you owned and could you detail the problems?One word aka JUNK!
Which ones have you owned and could you detail the problems?One word aka JUNK!
Just for fun here's me shooting my Middlesex Village P53.
It looks only vaguely similar to a P53, I compared it side by side with my original P53, not even close but it shoots well. I put about 50 rounds through it.
.530 round balls in paper cartridges , fun range popper with 80 gr of 2f. Very accurate for what it is . I felt no need to keep it "HC" so I put a leather FAL cheek pad on it to get a better sight picture. It's actually a lot of fun to shoot. I may use it in a Turkey shoot.
I had to satisfy my Indian musket curiosity and I have. I don't think I'll get any more of them.
Loyalist Arms was attempting to have a .65 3-band P59 made for me but the Indian manufacturer didn't want to do it.
The little .65 carbine looks neat but the shipping from Canada is like $100, and the total $$ for the gun was just too prohibitive vs. just buying a new toy from somewhere else. I mean there's only but so much you can do with a .58 or .65 smoothbore, I don't need a pile of them when I now have 3 Pedersoli .69's.
Well, I don't think Indian muzzle loaders are proved...not way they can be without a touch hole. And I'm not totally sure they're not cottage-industry guns. I've heard good (a few) and bad (more) reviews on them. Italian guns are at least proved.
FlinterNick Niether Walnut or maple are available in India . Stocking was allways a problem in the sub continent some walnut was sent out for the East India Company's needs and other local wood tried . But what they generally use isn't ideal and is 'musket cut' that is as it comes without seeking the ideal grain flow to best suit no different to most muskets it that regard . While many snear at India's products my own re enactment musket was got up from three different broken or defective rejects but after I worked on it & even posted to the US in two pieces later to repair the wrist but it served me admirably and stood proof so I was quite happy with it . VERY few replica muskets are correct when machine made .But most cant see the difference . I was once asked to look at a musket some re enactment buff workman found at a house he" Wanted to cut it down for a Musketoon" he said . Well the Musket was a near mint India Pattern original with its original Bayonet . He didn't know from the proverbial Shineola and it well illustrates what I say . I don't believe he got it . Rudyard
Trivial pedantism but Drawn Over Mandrel (DOM) comes as a ready formed tube which has no need of welding a seam. I have seen custom USA builders who are proud that they make their own barrels from a folded strip, hammer welded shut in the old way.Some older Indian made guns from the late 1990’s were made with DOM cold drawn steel and then welded together with a seam on the underside.
Trivial pedantism but Drawn Over Mandrel (DOM) comes as a ready formed tube which has no need of welding a seam. I have seen custom USA builders who are proud that they make their own barrels from a folded strip, hammer welded shut in the old way.
Not at all relevant, but the Birmingham Trade in the early 19th century used to make barrels this way whilst bringing their forges up to heat and they were for the "American and African" trade. The same shops made the early gas company piping in the same manner which led to the tales that the gas pipes were made from old musket barrels and period references by Volunteers to their Pattern 1853 Enfields as 'the old gas pipe'.
My solid opinion, if you're gonna live fire it a lot, go with a Pedersoli or Chiappa at a minimum. Lodgewood has a Euroarms JP Murray for sale right now for $400. I'd have snapped it up if I didn't have two Parker Hale Musketoons. You can find deals on Italian stuff.
If you go with a reputable seller , the Indian stuff can be good too. Just for my purposes, a smoothbore is a smoothbore, you can do ball, or shot, or Nessler balls, have lots of fun with it but nothing from the Indian shops is rifled. So you're getting a musket/ shotgun either way. If you're diligent you can turn up reenactor used Chiappa 1842's, or smoothbore P53's for less than Indian stuff.
Chiappa makes a smoothbore Zouave , you can get them for $750. Vs $500 for an Indian P53 which is the lowest priced option.
Well we have at least two, and possibly three members on this forum who have had their Loyalist Arms guns proofed by English or German proofing houses, and those houses have much higher pressure standards that does the Italian proofing house where Pedersoli has their barrels done, and also higher than the Spanish proofing house where some of the factory half-stocked rifles are proofed.Well, I don't think Indian muzzle loaders are proved...not way they can be without a touch hole. And I'm not totally sure they're not cottage-industry guns. I've heard good (a few) and bad (more) reviews on them. Italian guns are at least proved.
" Beware of the evil bight of Benin, Where few come out Though many go in " Rudyard
Which ones have you owned and could you detail the problems?
Then your comments are completely irrelevant.I was smart enough to not buy one based upon long term evidence!
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