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Paper-Patching, In a Muzzleloader?
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Idaho Ron
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I am surprised that you didn't find anything if you did a search here or on google. All of my paper patching is for hunting mostly.
Back in 2007 I was trying to find a suitable replacement for the soon to disappear 410 gr 50 cal Hornady Great plains bullet.
I tried several bullets including the REAL, and the Lyman plains bullet, and just didn't like any of them. I read a story in a magazine about the Whitworth and paper patching. I got the idea to try paper patching the Lee 500 S&W bullet. No one at that time was hunting with paper patched Lee 500 S&W bullets. I bought the mould and a Lee .501 sizer. My first try was promising. I found a load that the gun liked and started to play with lead hardness. After almost two years of testing I launched them as hunting bullets in 2009.
That buck to my knowledge was the first animal taken with a 458 grain paper patched 500 S&W bullet.
Since then that bullet as accounted for a PILE of big game animals. One thing they all had in common was no one that was shooting these bullets ever found one in a animal. They all blow through. I found one in a cow elk in 2013. I shot here quartering to me. The bullet hit the shoulder and was found in the flank. That bullet shattered the shoulder and penetrated about 3 foot of elk.
in 2020 I was able to find the second one.
It only lost 4 grains
I have went on to paper patch a RCBS 11mm rifle bullet that has accounted for almost as much game as the 500 did.
I know that there are a lot of people that use both of those bullets as hunting bullets now. They work incredibly well.
Back in 2007 I was trying to find a suitable replacement for the soon to disappear 410 gr 50 cal Hornady Great plains bullet.
I tried several bullets including the REAL, and the Lyman plains bullet, and just didn't like any of them. I read a story in a magazine about the Whitworth and paper patching. I got the idea to try paper patching the Lee 500 S&W bullet. No one at that time was hunting with paper patched Lee 500 S&W bullets. I bought the mould and a Lee .501 sizer. My first try was promising. I found a load that the gun liked and started to play with lead hardness. After almost two years of testing I launched them as hunting bullets in 2009.
That buck to my knowledge was the first animal taken with a 458 grain paper patched 500 S&W bullet.
Since then that bullet as accounted for a PILE of big game animals. One thing they all had in common was no one that was shooting these bullets ever found one in a animal. They all blow through. I found one in a cow elk in 2013. I shot here quartering to me. The bullet hit the shoulder and was found in the flank. That bullet shattered the shoulder and penetrated about 3 foot of elk.
in 2020 I was able to find the second one.
It only lost 4 grains
I have went on to paper patch a RCBS 11mm rifle bullet that has accounted for almost as much game as the 500 did.
I know that there are a lot of people that use both of those bullets as hunting bullets now. They work incredibly well.
Fleener,
I apologize for the delayed response.
I’m in Mississippi, about a good days drive from the shoot. I would truly enjoy attending even though I wouldn’t have my rifle anywhere near finished for the competition. As for this years event, If I can swing it, I will make the trip just to observe. If it is held again next year I will definitely be making plans and saving the sovereigns to attend and enter the competition, so… get ready.
I do enjoy reading about the Creedmoor matches and it is truly exciting and educational reading. Must have something to do with my German-Irish ancestry, of which I am very proud of.
farmer
Idaho,I am surprised that you didn't find anything if you did a search here or on google. All of my paper patching is for hunting mostly.
Back in 2007 I was trying to find a suitable replacement for the soon to disappear 410 gr 50 cal Hornady Great plains bullet.
I tried several bullets including the REAL, and the Lyman plains bullet, and just didn't like any of them. I read a story in a magazine about the Whitworth and paper patching. I got the idea to try paper patching the Lee 500 S&W bullet. No one at that time was hunting with paper patched Lee 500 S&W bullets. I bought the mould and a Lee .501 sizer. My first try was promising. I found a load that the gun liked and started to play with lead hardness. After almost two years of testing I launched them as hunting bullets in 2009.
That buck to my knowledge was the first animal taken with a 458 grain paper patched 500 S&W bullet.
Since then that bullet as accounted for a PILE of big game animals. One thing they all had in common was no one that was shooting these bullets ever found one in a animal. They all blow through. I found one in a cow elk in 2013. I shot here quartering to me. The bullet hit the shoulder and was found in the flank. That bullet shattered the shoulder and penetrated about 3 foot of elk.
in 2020 I was able to find the second one.
I have went on to paper patch a RCBS 11mm rifle bullet that has accounted for almost as much game as the 500 did.
I know that there are a lot of people that use both of those bullets as hunting bullets now. They work incredibly well.
I have to confess, I did do a search but thought it would be good to get more conversation started on the subject. Right now, I am more interested in the accuracy and ease of loading advantages of paper-patching than the hunting aspect. I found it very interesting that the Irish team shot more targets, without cleaning the bore, using their muzzle-loaders at Creedmoor than the breach-loaders they were shooting against.
You should definitely be proud of those kills! Beautiful animals. If you are loosing only 4 grains of bullet weight you’ve got it worked out, brother. Delivering a projectile of proper weight and hardnes, comparative to the velocity it will be traveling, is the formula of an effective and humane kill. Finding the projectile in the body of the deer, elk, etc. means it has delivered all of its energy and has performed to its full potential.
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From your first post you mentioned brainstorming. I assumed you hadn't seen much about it.
I have a video called torture test. I shot my 45 and never cleaned it. I just kept shooting. I was shooting over sticks at verious distances. My thinking was anyone could set up and continually hit a target at 50 yards without cleaning. So I mixed it up. In the video it shows how easy it was to load.
I have for a long time like that my bullets are consistent. If you think about it. The only things touching the barrel is power and paper.
A GG bullet has powder, lead, grease. All of that builds up fouling. The rate it builds depends on many factors.
If your shooting targets I wouldn't use the bullets I use for hunting. I have a bullet I'm using for my target rifle. It's a accurate .442 pp bullet. But it is fir a 1-30 twist. If your making a strictly target gun you would be better off with a faster twist and longer bullets depending in the distance you wish to shoot.
What you said, “The only things touching the barrel is power and paper.” I like that.
Up till recently I had read a little here and there regarding breech-loaders and paper patching. Not to any depth. I was totally unaware that the practice was used with muzzle-loaders to the extent that it is and reading more on the Creedmoor matches has peaked my interest even more.
Up till recently I had read a little here and there regarding breech-loaders and paper patching. Not to any depth. I was totally unaware that the practice was used with muzzle-loaders to the extent that it is and reading more on the Creedmoor matches has peaked my interest even more.
You should read the short story the Madman of Gaylord's Corner by Lucian Cary. One of his J. M. Pyne stories and one of my all time favorites. This is the type rifle you should try to duplicate. I can't remember how many times I have read it but I believe I'll dig it out and read it again tonight before I go to sleep.
ResearchPress
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I have a section on my web site the covers the Creedmoor era, plus much on long range muzzle loading history and shooting today.
David
David,
Thanks for the website you have! I’ve been reading everything contained there in and can hardly read anything else. The wealth of historical information you provided is awesome!
farmer
